PlayStation 3 Version?

[Stunt]

So Cryptic won't be developing a PlayStation 3 version of the game? On the Cryptic Studios page it says the game is only for the Xbox 360 and PC. If thats true, it's kind of a disappointment, this game looks really good and I'd defiantly buy it if it were released on the PlayStation 3. It sucks that developers always push aside the PlayStation 3.

At least take it into consideration Cryptic. =]

[Evets]

I don't think they're snubbing the PS3 really. The Cell processor in the PS3 is so different from 360 and your average PC that it would add tons of development time and cost to the project. Unfortunately for PS3 fans, it's far more expedient to simply work on the other system. Especially since they were just working on the Marvel game which was also for the PC and 360. They've got all this code already and it makes sense to use it in the same way.

[UnSub]

My understanding is that the developer tools for the Xbox 360 are better than the Sony PS3 tools, which also helps in these decisions.

[AutomaticZen]

That's not even counting that Cryptic was able to play with the 360 due to the cancelled Marvel MMO. I'm sure some of the things they've learned there will apply to the new game.

[zen_hydra]

I was actually really excited by the idea of Champions Online, but I was hoping to buy it for my PS3. I seriously doubt that I will pick it up now. :(

[Dantetheinfrno]

From the sounds of the Game Informer article, this game is the brain child of Cryptic, and is in conjunction with Microsoft in some manner.

They gained an ally from the whole Marvel deal, even if it went sour. So, rather than make Microsoft angry and open the game up to territories they don't have vested interest in (PC being Windows Vista/DX10, and XBox360 is obvious), they probably decided to keep it to what the platforms for Marvel were going to be.

On that same note, you have to realize that the PS3 doesn't have nearly as strong of a market share as the 360. If the engine is already set up to run in a Microsoft environment with DX and the like (which from the Game Informer article sounded like they were playing a somewhat playable build), then to port the game to another format is just impossible.

I'm a PS3 owner, and I think it'd be great, but I'll put my opinion that it's gonna fall in the fat chance category, and stick with my PC.

[EvilAdam]

Development troubles for the PS3 has been grossly blown out of proportion as far as I have heard from game developers I have spoken too. The instaleld userbase sounds more like a reason for this to be on the 360 initially, while the PS3 is most likely going to blow up in sales this year. I do think that leaving the PS3 out of an MMO of this type would be a mistake, however I do know that NCSoft has some exclusive PS3 games coming down the pike, so I wouldn't doubt that there is more to the omission of this game on the PS3 than we will know initially.

[Thia.Halmades]

Development troubles for the PS3 has been grossly blown out of proportion as far as I have heard from game developers I have spoken too. The instaleld userbase sounds more like a reason for this to be on the 360 initially, while the PS3 is most likely going to blow up in sales this year. I do think that leaving the PS3 out of an MMO of this type would be a mistake, however I do know that NCSoft has some exclusive PS3 games coming down the pike, so I wouldn't doubt that there is more to the omission of this game on the PS3 than we will know initially.

The PS3 has outsold the 360 this quarter (bearing in mind part of that is because the 360 already has its installed user base) but the collapse of HD DVD means that it's now the cheapest BD player on the market -- which will hike sales nicely. Add to that you are correct, Adam; the dev for the PS3 HAS been blown out of proportion. Yes, the cell processor is different.

However, I would submit that they did Unreal Tournament III just fine on the PS3 and the thing has already sold 1.3mm copies. So saying that it's "so much harder" is kind of silly. On the flip side, there is very little difference between a low end PC on XNA and a 360, and THAT'S the appeal there. The dev time is drastically reduced because much of the code ports directly. That being said.

I prefer my PS3 over my 360 every time and twice on Sunday. My brother refuses to use his 360 for anything other than the odd exclusive must-play title, and he got me on board with that as well. So while I have to have a 360 version of some games to play with Diamond_Spear, the rest are PS3 so I can play with my brother. :ugly:

Put me squarely in the "You all really need to get with Naughty Dog and SONY and put this on PS3. Please, dear G-d, put it on PS3." Besides. The average PS3 HDD is 40 gigs and the system already has "download" and "install" as part of its design. The 360 does not. Automatic superiority.

[EvilAdam]

I agree with every last word you wrote. Kudos to you, my good man.

[Thia.Halmades]

I agree with every last word you wrote. Kudos to you, my good man.

Ah, well, not to get into a mutual compliment contest, you set it up nicely. So my thanks to you for that. Nice to see other people (seriously) who haven't "drunk the Kool-Aid" that MS has been spilling all over everyone (but that's another animal entirely).

[RandomCitizenX]

I would definitely love to see this game on PS3, but will gladly get it on PC since it gives me an excuse to plan on building a new pimped out gaming rig =).

I also wouldn't mind getting on 360 if my system would ever be working properly. Shows me the problems of being an early adopter :(

[Cyjack]

The fact that theyre developing for consoles at all is a bad sign for the finished product. Games developed simultaneously for consoles invariably end up as a "dumbed down" version of what otherwise may have been a good PC game. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I wish they weren't developing for consoles at all.

Oh, and PS3 Fanboys, perhaps you might want to read why the PS3 sucks for cross platform development from someone who actually *knows* :

http://jbooth.blogspot.com/

[NewtypeNeo]

The fact that theyre developing for consoles at all is a bad sign for the finished product. Games developed simultaneously for consoles invariably end up as a "dumbed down" version of what otherwise may have been a good PC game. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I wish they weren't developing for consoles at all.

Oh, and PS3 Fanboys, perhaps you might want to read why the PS3 sucks for cross platform development from someone who actually *knows* :

http://jbooth.blogspot.com/


Yeah that whole blog was nothing but a huge troll, great job!

[Sol..]

The fact that theyre developing for consoles at all is a bad sign for the finished product. Games developed simultaneously for consoles invariably end up as a "dumbed down" version of what otherwise may have been a good PC game. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I wish they weren't developing for consoles at all.

Oh, and PS3 Fanboys, perhaps you might want to read why the PS3 sucks for cross platform development from someone who actually *knows* :

http://jbooth.blogspot.com/


I think that blog was blasted and ripped apart on neogaf.

Anyways why do people have to overthink it. Producing the same content for the PS3 requires extra time or dedicated resources. Something some people don't wanna do......so.......there.

Besides isn't someone else working on a DC based similar product exclusively for the PS3? I reckon thats reason enough not to make a PS3 version.

[Cyjack]

Yeah that whole blog was nothing but a huge troll, great job!

A troll who helps develop wildly succesful video games.

[NewtypeNeo]

A troll who helps develop wildly succesful video games.

Which doesn't take from the fact that it's a troll nonetheless, I'm not going to fight with you though. Let's let it lie.

[Thia.Halmades]

You will find this true of any industry. There are those who spend their time telling you what can't be done. They will spend considerable time, construct logical and reasonably sound reasons why it cant happen or why they can't do something or another. All the while the talent, the real talent, makes it happen.

While the author of the jbooth blog was writing about why multiplatform games will never be as good on the PS3 (October 2007) talented developers were putting the final coats of polish on great console agnostic games like Call of Duty 4, Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry 4 and UTIII.

“Those who say it can't be done are usually interrupted by others doing it.”

-James Arthur Baldwin

[EvilAdam]

Console releases are now more an inevitability than ever. As much as I loved being a PC gamer it was much easier for me to buy a PS3 knowing that it will be viable for 10 years as a good multimedia system and not have to upgrade it with a 3 figure priced video card and processor and ram upgrades.

PC Gaming is an expensive market and the longer you're in it the more money you spend. Even now I select my online PC games based on the fact that I can play them on a system that isn't brand new. The market expansion is there for MMO's on a console, especialyl one that isn't so strictly a traditional RPG. I love the fact that the combat will be action based becuase it means less time on waiting for time, health, mana, etc. to regenerate and more time actually playing the friggin game. Inactivity is boring and I really don't want to be bored.

I'm already looking forward to this game as something other than a followup to COH/COV because I know it will be very different but will keep some of that spirit that brought me to those games to begin with.

[RandomCitizenX]

The more systems the game gets released on, the more people who may buy the game, and finally the more people who buy the game the more money the fine people at Cryptic can make to support the game. I never can understand why someone gets labeled a fan boy for wanting a game to come out on any given system, same reason I can't understand a person's need to completely dismiss a game system.

[zzMDude]

And here I thought that Playstation 3 owners had come to terms with being the red-headed step children of this console generation. Blame Sony for screwing the pooch on their gaming division to push Blu-Ray.

Also, being this game is most likely repurposed Marvel Online, it's not all that surprising to see the game aimed at the former title's demographic: 360s and PCs. I guess if you want this game you'll just have to suck it up and upgrade that PC or get a 360. Bill Gates smiles either way, right?

Or you could wait for that DC Universe MMO; you know, by SOE? Yeah....maybe you are better hoping off for Champions on PS3...

[EvilAdam]

1] Am I the only person who read Game Informer? They clearly state that MICROSOFT owns whatever came abot from the Marvel MMO which means that this tech is all new. Sure, some of the design details and ideas are probably here, but unless Cryptic's CEO, Michael Lewis was just blowing hot air... which I doubt, this is a new game from the ground up, not former Marvel code.

2] Most folks that I know that own a PS3 love it for the tech swiss army knife that it is. I love the games I have for my PS3, don't get me wrong, but that system is getting used WAY more than any video game system I have ever previously had, and not just for games. If anything, the PS3 has become the best multi-media device I have ever owned and I don't even have an HDTV yet... wait till that happens.

3] The SOE DC Universe MMO may not excite me greatly, but that is only because it is DC based... and I'm not a huge fan. Seeing what The Agency looks like if it were a Marvel MMO I'd be all over it.

4] Sony pushing blu-ray via the PS3? Well, Blu-Ray won.. the PS3 is the best blu-ray player on the market, considering everything you can do wit it, and now Blu-Ray is has decimated HD-DVD and is going to wind up PUSHING the PS3. If anything using a blu-ray drive was one of the SMARTEST things Sony could have done, from multiple angles. Anyhow, this thread has quickly become a 360 vs PS3 thread, and once again, this is old and tired and just needs to end already.

Back to Console vs PC, as consoles are more and more becoming like PC's and have the capability for keyboard and mouse usage I can hardly see how this is such a big deal and how it will DESTROY any MMO that comes out for a broader user base. I think every good game should be played by the most people that can get to play it so there are no complaints from me.

[Gold-Rush]

From the sounds of the Game Informer article, this game is the brain child of Cryptic, and is in conjunction with Microsoft in some manner.

They gained an ally from the whole Marvel deal, even if it went sour. So, rather than make Microsoft angry and open the game up to territories they don't have vested interest in (PC being Windows Vista/DX10, and XBox360 is obvious), they probably decided to keep it to what the platforms for Marvel were going to be.



I think this is the TRUE crux of this matter. Both companies are thinking exclusivity the likes of which we last saw when "First Gen" consoles came out (think "Dawn of the console age"). Microsoft especially is very keen on gaining exclusives and SONY has always kept a fair number of exclusives for itself.

That's not to say it is "impossible", many companies are still eager and willing to get money out of players from both sides of the fence (ie : PS3 and XBox....and even Wii , PSP and DS if they could do so), however if you are a game company first "Big Daddy" Comapany let's it be known, even lightly, to the fact that they would prefer the title to remain an exclusive, most companies would agree. This fosters good relations with said company for future work.

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Gold Rush

[Stunt]

I think that blog was blasted and ripped apart on neogaf.

Anyways why do people have to overthink it. Producing the same content for the PS3 requires extra time or dedicated resources. Something some people don't wanna do......so.......there.

Besides isn't someone else working on a DC based similar product exclusively for the PS3? I reckon thats reason enough not to make a PS3 version.

Yeah, but thats Sony Online Entertainment making that, which means it has no chance of going to the Xbox 360. Anyway, the last two months the PLAYSTATION 3 has beaten the Xbox 360 in wordwide sales and thats probably going to continue with the year Sony lined up for their console. Their is no reason not to develop for it.

[zzMDude]

Except for the added money and time to port over assets to PS3, and the fact that PS3 already has a superhero MMO coming.

I wish I could have Gran Turismo and Resistance on 360, but I guess I'll just have to live with Forza and Halo.

[Jarock]

If you *can* develop something for a console then you absolutely should. The only reason not to would be if you planned on seperating servers by platform, and that would be a terrible idea. So under the assumption that all platforms would have access to the same servers, as a 360 owner, I say absolutely put the game on the PS3. Gives me more folks to meet and hang out with.

I believe the initial exclusion of the PS3 probably stemmed from the MS/Cryptic relationship. Since thats no longer a factor then I see no reason to exclude the system.

[Volomon]

True disappointment if its not coming to the PS3, although DC MMO is coming to the PS3. I have always liked COH and Cryptic. Its sad that I don't get the chance to try their product.

[Hooligan]

What I find pretty disturbing is that most of the people in this thread don't realize that the Cell Processor isn't that much different from the Xbox processor from an application stand point. The Xbox 360 uses a tripple core PowerPC based off the same ****** generation as the Cell.

The biggest differences come from software engines and render packages. Xbox 360 has a windows based OS very similar to XP/Vista/CE that uses DirextX. The Sony is a traditional game machine like the Wii in regards to gaming but as hardware goes its not much different than a Power4 based Mac using an AMD/ATI graphics card versus another Power4 based Mac using Nvidia Graphics.

That is the bottom line. The Microsoft uses 3 PPEs based of of Power4 technology, which is also what the gamecube/wii is based off of, and the Sony uses 1 PPE with 7-8 SPEs ( read that as dumb chips waiting to do some task ).

Nothing more. There is no major machine differences at the hardware level. PS3 could theoretically run the same version of Linux a hacked xbox 360 could... if the DRM was removed so it COULD. Same with a gamecube/wii. It all boils down to multithreaded development and the PS3 blows both the Wii/360 away in that regard and that is why games take a bit longer to develop. Making a game work 3 chips is easier to making a game work 9.

That said there is no way I am buying an Xbox 360 for the Red Ring of Death issues the Xbox has. I am buying a PS3 in the fall for Forces Unleashed, Soul Caliber 4, Resident Evil 5 and Grand Turismo 5. Xbox better give me a lifetime warranty if they want my money. Also, PS3 will be a much better platform for OpenGL based graphics like the iD tech 5 coming out in the next year and a half. This has much to do with Nvidia cards being more powerful there. That is hardly arguable.

Basically, if a developer dislikes working on the PS3 then they dislike profit unless its made up elsewhere, like MS exclusivity royalty checks.

[smogzy]

Not only would I like to see this on a PS3 as well as the eggbox but I`d also like to see it with mouse and keyboard support too. Typing using any sort of console controller just dosn`t cut the mustard in my books.

[Volomon]

Not only would I like to see this on a PS3 as well as the eggbox but I`d also like to see it with mouse and keyboard support too. Typing using any sort of console controller just dosn`t cut the mustard in my books.

This is why it needs to be on PS3 it already has intergrated support for keyboard and mouse. I also think the general populous of PS3 are more RPG inclined than the shooter oriented Xbox.

[SAVeira]

I currently have a PS2 and a Wii. My wife really like a number of games that are PS3 only, so that is must likely what we will purchase next. Not really in the mode to upgrade my computer to kill spec anytime in the next year, so I expect that we are also going end up with a XBOX 360 as well.

It would be nice to see the game on the PS3.

[Smog]

This is why it needs to be on PS3 it already has intergrated support for keyboard and mouse. I also think the general populous of PS3 are more RPG inclined than the shooter oriented Xbox.

No offense man, but you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want RPGs, the 360 is the console to own.

Playstation 3 /= Playstation 2
XBox 360 /= XBox

Throw out the preconceived notions of the last generations, they'll do you no good.

[Stunt]

No offense man, but you have no idea what you're talking about. If you want RPGs, the 360 is the console to own.

Playstation 3 /= Playstation 2
XBox 360 /= XBox

Throw out the preconceived notions of the last generations, they'll do you no good.

Actually bud, there are quite a lot of RPGs out there coming to PLAYSTATION 3. Stars mark exclusives. Double stars mark exclusive content for multiplatform games.

The Agency *
Amphibian Man *
Angel Rings *
Borderlands
DC Universe *
Disgaea 3 *
Eternal Sonata **
Fallout 3
Final Fantasy XIII *
Final Fantasy Haresis XIII *
Final Fantasy Versus XIII *
Free Realms *
Gothic IV
The Last Remnant
Naruto: PS3 Project *
Rengoku: The End of the Century
Rise of the Argonauts
Star Ocean 4 *
Steambot Chronicles 2 *
Tales of Vesperia
Two Worlds ** (possibly more content)
Valkyrie of the Battlefield: Gallian Chronicles *
White Knight Chronicles *
X Quest

[Powerhelm]

See, when I checked Cryptic's page it said quote: PC/CONSOLE

It didn't say ANYWHERE on that page that the Console in question was the 360...

[Smog]

Actually bud, there are quite a lot of RPGs out there coming to PLAYSTATION 3. Stars mark exclusives. Double stars mark exclusive content for multiplatform games.

Amphibian Man *
Angel Rings *
Disgaea 3 *
Final Fantasy XIII *
Final Fantasy Haresis XIII *
Final Fantasy Versus XIII *
Naruto: PS3 Project *
Star Ocean 4 *
Steambot Chronicles 2 *
Valkyrie of the Battlefield: Gallian Chronicles *
White Knight Chronicles *

Eternal Sonata **


Ok, so I cut the list down to excluses and seperated the bonus content listings. Also removed mmo's since we both know they aren't rpg's, theyre mmos, mmos do not make a platform an rpg platform.

So the 360 has what...

Two Worlds (can actually play it now)
Blue Dragon
Mass Effect
Lost Odyssey (The real final fantasy XIII)

Infinite Undiscovery
That apocolypse game I cant remember the name of.
Operation Darkness
Eden Zeria or Zerhia (or something similar, I'm far too lazy to search these)
Fable 2

Off the top of my head. I'm sure I could search out several garbage titles that would pad my list but their is no need. The 360 is above and beyond the PS3 in RPG titles right now, and will continue, at the very least, to keep up in the future.

Drop the stereotypes that the 360 is a halo-box. It isn't a coincidence that in the past year I have sold 10 ps3s at the absolute most, and more 360s than I could possibly keep track of. (Well over 150) I am -not- a 360 fanboy, but I'm certainly not a sony fanboy either. The ps3 has some ok stuff, and has some decent stuff coming. But not nearly enough. Why you ps3 fans are so locked onto that system is beyond me. Of course, I would want to pad my four to six hundred dollar investment with denial as well.

By the way, in all fairness, you forgot Folklore in your list. Which, unlike 75% of the titles you named, (amphibian man and versus XIII? Cmon..) is actually a half-way decent game.

[yzzlthtz]

Actually bud, there are quite a lot of RPGs out there coming to PLAYSTATION 3. Stars mark exclusives. Double stars mark exclusive content for multiplatform games.

The Agency *
Amphibian Man *
Angel Rings *
Borderlands
DC Universe *
Disgaea 3 *
Eternal Sonata **
Fallout 3
Final Fantasy XIII *
Final Fantasy Haresis XIII *
Final Fantasy Versus XIII *
Free Realms *
Gothic IV
The Last Remnant
Naruto: PS3 Project *
Rengoku: The End of the Century
Rise of the Argonauts
Star Ocean 4 *
Steambot Chronicles 2 *
Tales of Vesperia
Two Worlds ** (possibly more content)
Valkyrie of the Battlefield: Gallian Chronicles *
White Knight Chronicles *
X Quest

holy crap there's a steambot chronicles 2 in the works?:eek:
/e dances the tarantella on the ceiling.

anyways, i really hope cryptic develops this one for ps3. i read somewhere? ? ? ? that this was slated for release on 360 and ps3. might be some wild fan segregation on the servers....

[yzzlthtz]

Ok, so I cut the list down to excluses and seperated the bonus content listings. Also removed mmo's since we both know they aren't rpg's, theyre mmos, mmos do not make a platform an rpg platform.

So the 360 has what...

Two Worlds (can actually play it now)
Blue Dragon
Mass Effect
Lost Odyssey (The real final fantasy XIII)

Infinite Undiscovery
That apocolypse game I cant remember the name of.
Operation Darkness
Eden Zeria or Zerhia (or something similar, I'm far too lazy to search these)
Fable 2

Off the top of my head. I'm sure I could search out several garbage titles that would pad my list but their is no need. The 360 is above and beyond the PS3 in RPG titles right now, and will continue, at the very least, to keep up in the future.

Drop the stereotypes that the 360 is a halo-box. It isn't a coincidence that in the past year I have sold 10 ps3s at the absolute most, and more 360s than I could possibly keep track of. (Well over 150) I am -not- a 360 fanboy, but I'm certainly not a sony fanboy either. The ps3 has some ok stuff, and has some decent stuff coming. But not nearly enough. Why you ps3 fans are so locked onto that system is beyond me. Of course, I would want to pad my four to six hundred dollar investment with denial as well.

By the way, in all fairness, you forgot Folklore in your list. Which, unlike 75% of the titles you named, (amphibian man and versus XIII? Cmon..) is actually a half-way decent game.

how can you dis versus xiii when we know like nothing about it? or do you have some kind of sucks-in-the-future-dar?

[Gold-Rush]

See, when I checked Cryptic's page it said quote: PC/CONSOLE

It didn't say ANYWHERE on that page that the Console in question was the 360...

Howdy Powerhelm! :)

Anyway, PS3 vs. 360 arguements aside, the prevailing view is that Champions Online is going to the 360 and be exclusive to it. In the future....who knows? Things may change and surprise us, but the common sense thing is Microsoft gobbling up exclusives like a starving man at a buffet! Since the DC MMO is coming out for the PS3, it would seem, at this time, Champions Online is staying on the PC and 360.

Again, this * could * change. Cryptic IS working on some PS3 titles, Champions * could * come out for it as well. I would say, don't hold your breath and if/when it does come out, you can be pleasantly surprised. In the meantime, we ALL have PCs, right? :D

I bet NO ONE on THIS forum is posting from their PS3 or 360 (or Wii). :rolleyes: ;)

[Powerhelm]

In all fairness worldwide the 360 has just under 18 million units

PS3 has sold just under 11 million

Difference? 360 has been out twice as long...

Given also like I mentioned, Sony winning the next gen DVD format war and the PS3's built-in blu-ray and wi-fi capabilities...as far as THIS game is concerned it's just a better choice...

I just posted from my Wii actually, waiting to hear back on rather I get the job as a Sony Rep before I buy a PS3 :p (though now that HD-DVD is dead I'm getting one sooner or later definitely)

[Gold-Rush]

I just posted from my Wii actually, waiting to hear back on rather I get the job as a Sony Rep before I buy a PS3 :p (though now that HD-DVD is dead I'm getting one sooner or later definitely)

LOL! I *knew* there was a spoiler out there and it hadda be you. ;p :D

Still, console specs aside, I am mainly focused on licensing and competition for exclusives.

Heck, I think the PS3 will surprise many folks, especially the early naysayers, but it does have a tough road ahead. Thankfully, it has won the format war (although, I still buy normal DvDs as do most folks), so now it has to somehow shore up it's image as a game console compared to the 360.

Both are great. The MAIN reason I got into consoles is for exclusives; I've owned pretty much every console and tons of games made in the US. Good will and exclusives are the key. Although Sony is improving, I am still gonna hold my breath. XBox still has a LOT going for it. This console race is pretty much "Obama vs. Clinton" and will be for the next year. What most people forget, like the tech heads, people do like performance, but it is the games that make up the draw for a system.

When Christmas '08 comes, we shall see. It should prove to be very interesting (and exciting). I certainly don't think 360 will tank(it will continue to do well and even grow), but I don't see the PS3 losing any ground either.

As a gamer....bring it ALL on! (even the lovable Wii ! :D )

[Powerhelm]

My thinking is this:

On a Microsoft owned console, eventually all exclusives will be on PC, and I can wait for them then.

Picked up Gears of War on PC not long ago...and the 360 style controller for the PC :p

[Bystander]

My thinking is this:

On a Microsoft owned console, eventually all exclusives will be on PC, and I can wait for them then.

Picked up Gears of War on PC not long ago...and the 360 style controller for the PC :p

That's my thinking as well on 360 exclusives. I have absolutely no interest in a 360, nor in the Wii (even though I own one, I've used it maybe once or twice at most). I do own a PS3 as do each of my roommates and we all have been extremely happy with it.

Also, regarding some peoples perception of the difficulty of porting PS3 games to other platforms, it seems there was something revealed at GDC that might actually help with that (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/02/21/gdc08-phyreengine-sonys-new-free-cross-platform-engine/).

[WorseThanNormal]

That's not even counting that Cryptic was able to play with the 360 due to the cancelled Marvel MMO. I'm sure some of the things they've learned there will apply to the new game.

I would suspect beyond what they learned will appear in the game. I suspect they had "assests" (tech, art, etc.) already built for Marvel, as well as half working "assests" they planned to shoe-horn into COH in the future. Since Cryptic isn't working on thse games anymore, all those "assets" can be retooled for this project.

Not to mention, this seems much more like the original COH than what was released to the public. Though, I'll probably be proven wrong on this.

[Stunt]

Like I said earlier, this game looks great and would do great on all consoles, so I think the PlayStation 3 should have a chance at it as well. Perhaps even a later release than the Xbox 360 and PC version as long as we get it.

[Barum]

Put me squarely in the "You all really need to get with Naughty Dog and SONY and put this on PS3. Please, dear G-d, put it on PS3." Besides. The average PS3 HDD is 40 gigs and the system already has "download" and "install" as part of its design. The 360 does not. Automatic superiority.

Amen, bruddah! Plus, anything that WASN'T a Micro$oft platform has my vote.

What does a PC that can run the same framerates and junk cost? Oh, and add a BluRay player, and Bluetooth peripherals, oh, and WiFi, ad nauseum, et cetera.

From a strictly business stand-point, the PS3 price point puts most of the consoles in the hands of exactly the demographic that is likely to enjoy a game of this type. If the Dev-Cycle for the cell processor will cost more than the eanings from subscriptions of PS3 players, then I'm Mary, Queen of Scots... :D

[Barum]

I bet NO ONE on THIS forum is posting from their PS3 or 360 (or Wii). :rolleyes: ;)

Uhm... Sitting in my recliner, using a bluetooth keyboard, I am posting from my PS3... Only one of my posts was from a PC and that was at work... ( I sling AutoCAD for a living...)


Yes, I have a PC. Two, in fact. But the cost of making either into a gaming rig to match the PS3 is more than the actual cost of a PS3... Plus the cost of the base PC.

RAM, GPU, etc. Not cheap, to do right.

Sorry. on a Bang per Buck basis, I feel that a PC is a fool's bet. ( Don't get me wrong.. I've owned at LEAST one "Home Computer" since I was 12, over 30 years ago. And no, not the SAME Home Computer for all those years...)

[Barum]

Nice to see other people (seriously) who haven't "drunk the Kool-Aid" that MS has been spilling all over everyone (but that's another animal entirely).


LOL!!! OMG, so true, so true. Everyone, say hello to Bill "Jim Jones" Gates!

[Gold-Rush]

Well, then, I copy and quote myself from Powerhelm's response and send it your way.

LOL! I *knew* there was a spoiler out there and it hadda be you. ;p :D


;)

And actually, about PC costs and upkeep, you are correct about that. I know it is foolish, but I can't help it since I like to have a top PC; What I tend to do is try to buy a top-of-the-line model, hope it lasts 2-3 years, given what is coming out before I buy, upgrade things as time goes on (to a point), then finally, get a new computer.

It ian't economical. It ain't feasible for many, but that is what I do. (Even though you are giving me pangs of guilt again ;) ).

For me, it is about the games, not about one console over the other. It has always been about the games, even with my very big collection of consoles. I include PCs into this mix, because some games are PC exclusives.:)

[Swampthing]

am i the only one that doesnt give a flying **** about which console is better? i mean dear lord its ****ing annoying its like me saying my dad is better then your dad and could kick your dads ass. i own an Xbox360 only cuz i had a lot of problems with the PS3 when it first came out, those bugs have most likely been fixed, and i might end up getting one sometime. what really ****ed me off is the ppl that just wont let it die, its almost like some ****ed off cuz they suck at a game, in the end it has no value and does noone any good to say im not buying this game cuz its not for my PS3, even though i have a PC, im still gonna ***** and complain that its not coming out for PS3. grow up FFS its a stupid hunk of scrap metal that has the ability to read CD/DVD. now who cares, and if you really have a problem with it not coming out for PS3 contact Cryptic and get details and write something or get a petition started. i am almost 100% positive that Cryptic doesnt really even read these forums.

[Stunt]

am i the only one that doesnt give a flying **** about which console is better? i mean dear lord its ****ing annoying its like me saying my dad is better then your dad and could kick your dads ass. i own an Xbox360 only cuz i had a lot of problems with the PS3 when it first came out, those bugs have most likely been fixed, and i might end up getting one sometime. what really ****ed me off is the ppl that just wont let it die, its almost like some ****ed off cuz they suck at a game, in the end it has no value and does noone any good to say im not buying this game cuz its not for my PS3, even though i have a PC, im still gonna ***** and complain that its not coming out for PS3. grow up FFS its a stupid hunk of scrap metal that has the ability to read CD/DVD. now who cares, and if you really have a problem with it not coming out for PS3 contact Cryptic and get details and write something or get a petition started. i am almost 100% positive that Cryptic doesnt really even read these forums.

Sounds like you give a lot of flying *doodies* about which console is better. Anyway, even though we all have PCs, some people prefer to play it on a console such as their PLAYSTATION 3 due to the fact that maybe their PC specs aren't so top notch. Those who only have PCs and PLAYSTATION 3s would probably want to play it on the PLAYSTATION 3.

You should get a time out for all those violent words. *shakes finger*

[Swampthing]

actually i dont care which is better i grew up with Nintendo and PS, im really not a huge MS fan i just use the OS cuz i hate linux i have an Xbox cuz i wanted to get a console and had problems with the PS3 before, that and there were some games i wanted to play on PC but i had to get Vista. the fact that vista sucks is the reason i went with the 360. the funny thing is i havent touched my 360 in about 3 weeks cuz i have found better things to do on my PC. and like i said in my other post if you want this game talk to cryptic about it dont complain in a forum that never gets anyone anywhere. i would honestly love to play with PC/PS3/Xbox360 players just as long as they are not 12 yr old im so leet kids that wont shut up.

[Stunt]

I hear you. But this is the Q&A forum, so what better place to do it besides here.

[Swampthing]

i understand that is, but how many actual answers have you gotten from the Devs in this matter and why not take it a bit farther and contact the marketing group and the other areas to see what is going on and see what you would have to do to make this game for PS3 a reality.

[Younion]

If this game came out for the PS3, I might actually buy a PS3.

[Barum]

am i the only one that doesnt give a flying **** about which console is better? i mean dear lord its ****ing annoying its like me saying my dad is better then your dad and could kick your dads ass. i own an Xbox360 only cuz i had a lot of problems with the PS3 when it first came out, those bugs have most likely been fixed, and i might end up getting one sometime. what really ****ed me off is the ppl that just wont let it die, its almost like some ****ed off cuz they suck at a game, in the end it has no value and does noone any good to say im not buying this game cuz its not for my PS3, even though i have a PC, im still gonna ***** and complain that its not coming out for PS3. grow up FFS its a stupid hunk of scrap metal that has the ability to read CD/DVD. now who cares, and if you really have a problem with it not coming out for PS3 contact Cryptic and get details and write something or get a petition started. i am almost 100% positive that Cryptic doesnt really even read these forums.



Err... I personally feel that the discussion here is more along the lines of " Some people like Chocolate Ice Cream, others like vanilla. Cryptic won't tell us if they are going to make both flavors, or not..."
Any discussion over consoles vs. PC, or even console vs. console is all about personal preference, not carved in stone fact. Some folks will wave certain facts around to support their position, but when all is said and done, it's still a matter of personal taste.

[Digitizer]

I would be willing to bet that a PS3 version will not be available. At least not right away. Probably the biggest reason you are seeing it on the XBOX at all is that you can do a lot of parallel programming with PC and XBOX games because of Microsoft’s release of the XNA™ platform. That and the fact they are probably recycling some code from the dropped Marvel Universe MMORPG they had was already being designed for the XBOX too.

[Barum]

I would be willing to bet that a PS3 version will not be available. At least not right away. Probably the biggest reason you are seeing it on the XBOX at all is that you can do a lot of parallel programming with PC and XBOX games because of Microsoft’s release of the XNA™ platform. That and the fact they are probably recycling some code from the dropped Marvel Universe MMORPG they had was already being designed for the XBOX too.


( I need to get a life. Spend too much time here...) As has been pointed out in other posts that qouted interviews regarding the announcement of CO, all the code/intellectual property/etc. of the previous Superhero games went to either Micro$oft or NCSoft when games were sold/dropped. This is all new IP.
The coding might be going faster due to experience, but it still needs to be coded...

[Stunt]

I wonder if that Foxbat guy would be able to help the situation here.

[Blindseer]

I would definitely love to see this game on PS3, but will gladly get it on PC since it gives me an excuse to plan on building a new pimped out gaming rig =).



Ditto:D I would use this as an excuse to build a new PC!

[Fraggle]

All I can say is that I have had the 360 and the PS3. The only one that has not been broke is the PS3. I got the 360e and It Broke in 2 months. The PS3 has lasted longer then that! To top it off Microsoft has had it for three months trying to fix it! Thats not right.

At this point Witch one is better!

PS3 wins my vote!

306 sux Big time!!!!!

[Blindseer]

It would be nice though if they made a release for the PS3 later so there wouldn't be a need to make or upgrade a desktop computer. Having the game multi-platform will make it easier for some users to get a hold of the game.

[Mold]

It makes sense that Cryptic isn't developing this for the PS3. They have personnel trained for 360 development already, so they don't need to take time to train some one or hire someone for ps3 development. They already have the 360 development software, they would have to pay Sony for it (yes I understand that Sony lowered the price). They also are already on good business terms with Microsoft so something tells me they will get a break on the licensing, something which Sony only does for business partners who have developed multiple titles for their systems. I am sure if Sony came to Cryptic and gave them the training and development software and a break on the licensing, then Cryptic wouldn't have a problem taking the time to develop it for PS3.

[Swampthing]

All I can say is that I have had the 360 and the PS3. The only one that has not been broke is the PS3. I got the 360e and It Broke in 2 months. The PS3 has lasted longer then that! To top it off Microsoft has had it for three months trying to fix it! Thats not right.

At this point Witch one is better!

PS3 wins my vote!

306 sux Big time!!!!!

well i guess your vote doesn't since you cant spell "which" right=P

[Spock-tM]

Sorry, I gotta say, even with all the faults it has, I'd have to go with the X360. All my mates have at LEAST one 360, I know maybe 3 sony Fanboys who refused one and held out to get a PS3, and now theirs are sitting under their TVs collecting MASSIVE amounts of dust. Xbox LIVE will just make for such an easier way to get into the game with mates. The only problem I see in using the 360 are the updates, I only have the 20gb model, I have very little space left on it, it would be irritating if I have to purchase a new HDD to store the update content after a time. The PS3 swappable HDD's are handy, but meh, I'd rather play the 360. Also, why make it for the PS3? it's SO much easier to take the code from the PC and implement it onto the 360 than the PS3..... although, with that new software that Sony unveiled at GDC? Who knows :D

Besides, by the time it is released, I'll have a brand spanking new PC, so I may just use it on that alongside the Windows LIVE so I can still chat with all my 360 mates :D



In saying all this though, the PS3 really does need some good games, it has jack all good exclusives on the table at the moment :/ and their version of arcade sucks, why oh why can't I trial the cool downloadable games before I pay for them :D

[Barum]

In saying all this though, the PS3 really does need some good games, it has jack all good exclusives on the table at the moment :/ and their version of arcade sucks, why oh why can't I trial the cool downloadable games before I pay for them :D

I think two things apply here: First, what's your definition of "cool games" Sure some folks hated Fall of Man, and I just DID not like Darkness, but I bought Stranglehold after playing the downloadable demo.
Did XBL get any demo content for the Orange Box? PS3 didn't...

Second, you're a Kiwi, and you might have a completely different PSN store out your way. I'm a Yank, and I know I get different stuff than the UK, and both U.S. and U.K. get different stuff than Asia, so....

EDIT:

Oops. Just re-read your post. I misunderstood you at first. Sorry.

Over here, stateside, I think the only Downloadable games we didn't get demos for were Warhawk and Pain.

[Barum]

I wonder if that Foxbat guy would be able to help the situation here.


Ok, you draw the pentagram, I'll light the candles, all we need now is to wave a dead chicken, and he should appear.....

[CyberKnight]

from what i can gather this will be cross platform int he same way shadow run was , wich was x box 360/ pc with vista,

edit :0
just read an article about shadowrun being "cracked " to run on xp with only a few files needed as the dx 10 mandatory requirments was really a lie to get us to buy vista :p

[Barum]

All I can say is that I have had the 360 and the PS3. The only one that has not been broke is the PS3. I got the 360e and It Broke in 2 months. The PS3 has lasted longer then that! To top it off Microsoft has had it for three months trying to fix it! Thats not right.

At this point Witch one is better!

PS3 wins my vote!

306 sux Big time!!!!!

Ok. I'm putting on my Asbestos suit, cause I know I'm gonna get flamed...

XBOX 360 vs PS3 Failure Rate: Win goes to PS3. Red Ring Of Death... Just won't happen on a PS3.
Power-supply overheating? Must be an XBOX. Repair Turn-around: If you can't take it back for another, and just back-up your game saves and settings onto a jump-drive, it must be an XBOX.

Owner Upgrades: Win goes to PS3. Owner's Manual even shows you how, step by step, to upgrade the HDD. TO ANY SIZE YOU WANT, not just the ones already mounted in some kind of Lego brand HDD bay by Micro$oft.

Alternate OS: Win goes to PS3. Installing a second OS is an option in the System Menu.

Included OS: (Personal Opinion Follows) I'm sorry, but at this point in time, any Micro$oft OS is so bloated, and full of inconsistencies, well.... I don't think they have junked any old code, they just keep piling new code on top of old. If you've ever done any coding, you know how big a mess that can make.

And now there's DX10 to try to shoehorn into a console not built for it, and, aw, it's all just a mess...

PS3 has Linux as it's base OS. Don't like something in Linux? Change it yourself, or search the web, because someone probably beat you to it.

Built-in Flexibilty: Win goes to PS3. I draw your attention to the upcoming release of Bionic Commando. ( not on my list of Must Have Games, but...) The XBOX version will have less detailed textures than the PS3 version due to the file size restrictions in place in the XBOX OS.

Install Base: Ok, win goes to XBOX 360. Just like the Win goes to Ford Taurus over Ferrari Testarosa. More people can pay for the Ford, so there are more on the road. Does that make it a better built, higher performance car, with fewer mechanical problems? ( I know, I know. No way is the PS3 like a Ferrari. More like a Pontiac GTO, circa 1972. ) Also, for more reasons, see Best Exclusive Titles

(Fact: Ford's 3.0 Vulcan engine, used in all but the SHO Taurus had some funky dielectric reaction to Antifreeze that turned the Antifreeze acidic, clogging the heater-core with corroded bits of engine block, and eating up the blades in the water pump. Best solution they could come up with was to add an extra hose, so when the heater core clogged up, antifreeze would still circulate. No help for the water pump, tho. Just had to replace it every year or two. Not covered by the warranty.)

Brand Loyalty: Tough one. More people have taken large gulps of the Kool-Aid that Micro$oft has been handing out, but Sony fans are more rabid. (?) (Thanks to Thia Halmades (http://forums.champions-online.com/member.php?u=398)for the Microsoft-Kool-Aid thingy!)

Best Exclusive Titles: Another win for XBOX. Let's see... SDK has been out longer, console has been out longer, Developers wanted to grab some market share as early as possible. I would too. You have no idea how completely and totally "cranky" I am over the whole Square-Enix/Mistwalker debacle. Lost Odessy should have been a PS3 title.

And now for the newest bit, CD/DVD drive: With the recent market win by BluRay over HD DVD, PS3 has the biggest head start. And, Sony owns part of the patent to BluRay. M$ will have to pay Sony a royalty for each and every BluRay drive add on they sell for XBOX, if they ever do. Just a gut feeling, but I don't see Micro$oft's ego allowing them to bend to the market that way. Heck, it took how many years, and an anti-trust lawsuit in Europe to get them to bend to market pressure?

I welcome any rational, well expressed discourse. Anyone who decides that vulgarity and Franco-Norman four-letter colloquialisms are the correct reaction are going right on the "Ignore" list.
( I think that anyone who feels that four-letter words are the correct response wouldn't even know that they were mostly Franco-Norman colloquialisms...)

[Celsia]

There is also the simple fact that SOE is developing DC Online for PS3.

AS for developing, 360 is alot closer to programing a PC than the PS3 is. SO to go cross platform requires less effort and thus less money. Cryptic is still a small game company and they need this game in many ways to stay viable.

But if we look at other recent multiplatform games. PS3 games have all taken more time to get out the door. Lost PLanet just came out for PS3 and has been out for 360 for what 3 months. Orange Box was critically acclaimed on 360 and PC, and was 2 months late and lmost unplayable on PS3. DO I expect this to continue, not really, but it does illustrate that PS3 has had more growing pains to this point than the 360 from the software side.

As for pointing out which looks better. I have seen very very little difference graphically between the 2 thus far.

[Arkham]

Anyone who used ______ console is superior loses in life. I didn't even read all the posts but i know that their were probably some fanboy's in here trying to make their system seem better. In the end of the day it all comes down to games, if you like the games for 360 then get that, if you like the games for ps3 then get that, same thing goes for PC. If you want this game then get a 360 or a good gaming PC. Thats all i have to say.

[Celsia]

Anyone who used ______ console is superior loses in life. I didn't even read all the posts but i know that their were probably some fanboy's in here trying to make their system seem better. In the end of the day it all comes down to games, if you like the games for 360 then get that, if you like the games for ps3 then get that, same thing goes for PC. If you want this game then get a 360 or a good gaming PC. Thats all i have to say.

Cheers!!!!:D

[Sybexi]

Anyone who used ______ console is superior loses in life. I didn't even read all the posts but i know that their were probably some fanboy's in here trying to make their system seem better. In the end of the day it all comes down to games, if you like the games for 360 then get that, if you like the games for ps3 then get that, same thing goes for PC. If you want this game then get a 360 or a good gaming PC. Thats all i have to say.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[Barum]

Anyone who used ______ console is superior loses in life. I didn't even read all the posts but i know that their were probably some fanboy's in here trying to make their system seem better. In the end of the day it all comes down to games, if you like the games for 360 then get that, if you like the games for ps3 then get that, same thing goes for PC. If you want this game then get a 360 or a good gaming PC. Thats all i have to say.


Well put, but I have to argue that while you simply won't buy a hammer to do a screwdriver's job, you most certainly WOULD buy the best hammer you could afford. And, as I said in my humongous post earlier, at this point in time, XBOX has the most, perhaps even some of the best Exclusive titles. I feel that this condition will not persist.

My response to your " Get an XBOX or a Gaming PC" is this;


You want to sell tires. You COULD make them for ALL cars, but you won't. Rather than spend the time needed to grab a larger market share, and therefor a larger profit, you will only make tires for the cars that more people own, even though market research, and expert advice tells you that the more recently built brand will eventually jump ahead in sales, and perhaps even be used to replace the older model due to the number of "lemons" that came off the assembly line. Where-as your OTHER target market consists of cars that cost 2-3 times the cost of the Newly Built brand mentioned above.

Sure, I can buy a $500 computer with a "decent" display, but the Graphics capabilities will commit adultery with woodland creatures! OR- I can buy a dedicated Console for the same price, that far outstrips the Gaming performance of the Best-Mart Special PC.

Who knows. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that I am among the larger part of the demographic here. Gamers With Jobs and Families.

From my perspective, it makes long term fiscal sense for Cryptic to release/port to as many systems as possible. Make the product available to more potential customers, and you WILL find that you actually have more real, paying customers.( assuming you don't bugger yourself with a lousy product...) That in and of itself will, in the long run, outweigh any costs incurred during developement.

As far as my picking a console for it's perceived/actual superiority: What color is your car?

Now, as an Old School PnP RPG-er who went ballistic the first time I cracked open this book -

Champions First Edition (http://www.waynesbooks.com/images/graphics/championsrulebook.jpg)

and as an avid "Video" Gamer since the days of Zork on the Apple II, I WANT to play this game.
If it is released for the PS3, then I will be able to. Otherwise, not.
Yes, I have to live with that, but I don't have to "Go quietly into this dark night."

[Arkham]

You want to sell tires. You COULD make them for ALL cars, but you won't. Rather than spend the time needed to grab a larger market share, and therefor a larger profit, you will only make tires for the cars that more people own, even though market research, and expert advice tells you that the more recently built brand will eventually jump ahead in sales, and perhaps even be used to replace the older model due to the number of "lemons" that came off the assembly line. Where-as your OTHER target market consists of cars that cost 2-3 times the cost of the Newly Built brand mentioned above.

Sure, I can buy a $500 computer with a "decent" display, but the Graphics capabilities will commit adultery with woodland creatures! OR- I can buy a dedicated Console for the same price, that far outstrips the Gaming performance of the Best-Mart Special PC.


To your analogy, i don't think devs make games for 360 just because more people own them, if they were doing this then they would make it for Wii, in terms of your lemon statement most of the bad xbox's where because they were rushed for launch. Cryptic has a good reason for making it only for pc and xbox whatever that is. I know it sucks that every game doesn't come out for every console but that is the way it roles. Sure i would like to play MGS and LBP on 360 but its not going to happen. Any honestly don't try to use a lame analogy to hide your fanboy statements, your analogy pretty much said they should make CO for ps3 because its the superior console. Don't worry about MMO's for ps3 they will have their share of good ones coming their way, the DC MMO, the agency, and a bunch of NcSoft games.

[Gold-Rush]

To your analogy, i don't think devs make games for 360 just because more people own them, if they were doing this then they would make it for Wii, in terms of your lemon statement most of the bad xbox's where because they were rushed for launch. Cryptic has a good reason for making it only for pc and xbox whatever that is. I know it sucks that every game doesn't come out for every console but that is the way it roles. Sure i would like to play MGS and LBP on 360 but its not going to happen. Any honestly don't try to use a lame analogy to hide your fanboy statements, your analogy pretty much said they should make CO for ps3 because its the superior console. Don't worry about MMO's for ps3 they will have their share of good ones coming their way, the DC MMO, the agency, and a bunch of NcSoft games.

::::Applauds Arkham:::::

Well said and well put !!!!

That is what I was thinking. Heck, the primary reason I defended PS3 was because of all the uncalled for initial hate to it.

But, *that* is my philosophy.... GAMES !! It has ALWAYS been my philosophy and is the driving force as to why I own/ collect the most consoles of most people you may know.

When I was young and saw an exclusive on one game system, I'd buy the game system if it was THAT important to me. Vice-Versa!!

Sure, to many people, this is an expensive option, but you just make the best decision you can make at the time and go from there.

Anyway, in THIS Day and Age, it is not too uncommon to see people with multiple formats in their home nowadays. Sure, the majority may own ONE new system, but it is easier to find people that own two or more systems.

I mean, really. I've been through ALL these fights....Commodore64 vs. Atari (vs. Apple 2)....Atari vs. Odyssey....Atari vs. Intellivision....

In my history, I've seen and lived it all. The best solution for me is, either get ALL the systems or get the one you are happy with for the time being!

[Deuterium]

Anyone who used ______ console is superior loses in life. I didn't even read all the posts but i know that their were probably some fanboy's in here trying to make their system seem better. In the end of the day it all comes down to games, if you like the games for 360 then get that, if you like the games for ps3 then get that, same thing goes for PC. If you want this game then get a 360 or a good gaming PC. Thats all i have to say.

Amen. I've got a 360, a decent PC, and am planning to pick up a PS3 (when I can find the 80GB version available somewhere). I've enjoyed my 360 with titles like Gears of War, Mass Effect, and BioShock, which is the reason I picked one up in the first place. I'm planning to pick up a PS3 specifically for MGS4, Tekken 6, and anything else that might surprise me.

It would be extremely convenient if they released MGS4 for 360, but instead of trying to petition Konami to release it, I'll just save up the cash to pick up a PS3 in the future.

[Deuterium]

::::Applauds Arkham:::::

Well said and well put !!!!

That is what I was thinking. Heck, the primary reason I defended PS3 was because of all the uncalled for initial hate to it.

But, *that* is my philosophy.... GAMES !! It has ALWAYS been my philosophy and is the driving force as to why I own/ collect the most consoles of most people you may know.

When I was young and saw an exclusive on one game system, I'd buy the game system if it was THAT important to me. Vice-Versa!!

Sure, to many people, this is an expensive option, but you just make the best decision you can make at the time and go from there.

Anyway, in THIS Day and Age, it is not too uncommon to see people with multiple formats in their home nowadays. Sure, the majority may own ONE new system, but it is easier to find people that own two or more systems.

I mean, really. I've been through ALL these fights....Commodore64 vs. Atari (vs. Apple 2)....Atari vs. Odyssey....Atari vs. Intellivision....

In my history, I've seen and lived it all. The best solution for me is, either get ALL the systems or get the one you are happy with for the time being!

Exactly.

In all fairness, Champions is slated for a Spring 2009 release anyway, so I'm pretty sure we've all got a shot to save up and upgrade that aging PC or buy a 360.

[Aceldama]

Heh heh.

I always try to avoid console threads because they always erupt into these fanboi flame-wars.

If it hasn't been stated before, I think the only reason they're releasing it for the 360 is because Microsoft canned the MUO project.

[RandomCitizenX]

Amen. I've got a 360, a decent PC, and am planning to pick up a PS3 (when I can find the 80GB version available somewhere). I've enjoyed my 360 with titles like Gears of War, Mass Effect, and BioShock, which is the reason I picked one up in the first place. I'm planning to pick up a PS3 specifically for MGS4, Tekken 6, and anything else that might surprise me.

It would be extremely convenient if they released MGS4 for 360, but instead of trying to petition Konami to release it, I'll just save up the cash to pick up a PS3 in the future.

Just to let you know word on the street is that the 80 Gb model is done for and will be replaced by a rumored 120 gb model. That being said I have a wii, ps3, and 360 (when it isn't out for repairs). I think they are all great systems and cannot understand or agree with people who decide to pick one system and lash out at the others.


I would prefer having a PS3 version of CO to go with my PC version (one for me, one for the wife) since they seem to have less gremlins than the 360, but I understand that Cryptic was already set up to deliver a 360 experience.

[Barum]

To your analogy, i don't think devs make games for 360 just because more people own them, if they were doing this then they would make it for Wii, in terms of your lemon statement most of the bad xbox's where because they were rushed for launch. Cryptic has a good reason for making it only for pc and xbox whatever that is. I know it sucks that every game doesn't come out for every console but that is the way it roles. Sure i would like to play MGS and LBP on 360 but its not going to happen. Any honestly don't try to use a lame analogy to hide your fanboy statements, your analogy pretty much said they should make CO for ps3 because its the superior console. Don't worry about MMO's for ps3 they will have their share of good ones coming their way, the DC MMO, the agency, and a bunch of NcSoft games.

If you're trying to Troll, you've done an excellent job.

Last I heard DC was off, Agency doesn't appeal, and for Fan-boy? Absolutely not. I'm a Fan-Man!
And I have proof I'm a man. I've reproduced. On purpose.

What you really need to ask yourself is: Just because he's a fan of Sony... Does that make him wrong?

BUT from your post :


Any honestly don't try to use a lame analogy to hide your fanboy statements, your analogy pretty much said they should make CO for ps3 because its the superior console


I can see that you didn't actually understand the analogy, or you would have "gotten" the fiscal model. It's just plain good business to publish to the larger audience, and unless Cryptic has signed some kind of exclusivity agreement, then they would be making a mistake not to publish to as many consoles as possible.


the bad xbox's where because they were rushed for launch.


I'm sorry, but that just SCREAMS out for a ROFLMAO.
Why would they rush to launch?

How well did the XBOX do overseas? How well does Microsoft as a company do overseas?

Neither did you read enough to see that I gave XBOX 360 it's deserved points.

I'm sorry, but: "that's the way it roles." ?!?!?!? I hope you meant some kind of RPG pun there....

Sure. I really like my PS3, and it took me quite some time of bagged lunches at work to sock away enough for it. You need to know, though: It was the customer complaints about XBOX that made me buy the PS3. All the items and faults I outlined were the reason I went Sony. Micro$oft almost had my money.

And, Arkham... I gotta know. Do you know where your Forum handle comes from? Originally?

Give you a hint. The author who first wrote about Arkham is buried out my in neck of the woods.

[Aceldama]

That would be one, Mr. H.P. Lovecraft.

[Arkham]

If you're trying to Troll, you've done an excellent job.

Last I heard DC was off, Agency doesn't appeal, and for Fan-boy? Absolutely not. I'm a Fan-Man!
And I have proof I'm a man. I've reproduced. On purpose.

No i wasn't trying to troll i didn't know DC was off, thats really a bummer if it is. I personally think the Agency looks pretty cool.


I can see that you didn't actually understand the analogy, or you would have "gotten" the fiscal model. It's just plain good business to publish to the larger audience, and unless Cryptic has signed some kind of exclusivity agreement, then they would be making a mistake not to publish to as many consoles as possible.

I got the analogy that its better to release to a larger audience but throughout it you were making hints that the PS3 was superior.

I'm sorry, but that just SCREAMS out for a ROFLMAO.
Why would they rush to launch?


So they can have it out by a set release date so they can have a bigger market share before the other systems come out. They felt like more people might buy it instead of waiting for the wii or ps3. If you honestly don't believe they rushed the launch, i don't even know what to say to you.



And, Arkham... I gotta know. Do you know where your Forum handle comes from? Originally?

It might help your cause if you try to stay on subject and not try and insult me because i don't know where my forum handle originally comes from.

I wish they were making Champions Online for PS3 but their not and i don't think coming into these forums and claiming that PS3 is better than xbox 360 is going to change that. It all comes down to jealous, your jealous its not on PS3 so you have to insult xbox to make your self feel better about it not coming to PS3. I done with fanboy's i can't stand them!!!

[Gold-Rush]

Just to let you know word on the street is that the 80 Gb model is done for and will be replaced by a rumored 120 gb model.

You know, I rarely hear this in circles, but MY PS3 is 180 GB atm. :D

You ask "How is this possible?"

Any 2.5 SATA Hard Drive (for Laptops) can work in a PS3, and the installation is a rather simple affair. (and I bought the 20 GB model :p )

There are even examples of "How to do it" on the Net if you google it.

[Barum]

I got the analogy that its better to release to a larger audience but throughout it you were making hints that the PS3 was superior.

I based my rhetoric on sales data: (PS3 sold more units worldwide in its first year than XBOX did.) User and Consumer Agency reports (PS3 has fewer unit failures on a unit for unit basis.) And unit capabilities, taken from each machine's User's Manual. (Available online, in PDF format.)

All my contentions were based on verifiable information. Personal preference entered into it only at the time of purchase.




It might help your cause if you try to stay on subject and not try and insult me because i don't know where my forum handle originally comes from.

I re-read my post, and you're right. That did sound like I was being "snappish". I'm sorry, I have no excuse.

[draccan]

I would love to play this too on PS3 if I could switch between PC and PS3.

[LinuxUser]

come on we want a ps3 version....
i'm a current COH player ... and I would like this new game on the ps3

[Barum]

You know, I rarely hear this in circles, but MY PS3 is 180 GB atm. :D

You ask "How is this possible?"

Any 2.5 SATA Hard Drive (for Laptops) can work in a PS3, and the installation is a rather simple affair. (and I bought the 20 GB model :p )

There are even examples of "How to do it" on the Net if you google it.

My 80GB model has instructions on a HDD swap RIGHT IN THE USER'S MANUAL!!! I think that has got to be one of the coolest things. Sony seems to be really committed to making the PS3 a geek's dream. That and the "relatively" new Divx support, combined with all the geeky-bits I've posted before.... Plus, the Stanford University Protien Folding distributed computation client, I haven't shut my PS3 off since I got it. When I'm not gaming, or streaming Anime, or listening to my (too many) GBs of mp3s, I'm helping find a cure for Cancer.

[Barum]

planning to pick up a PS3 (when I can find the 80GB version available somewhere).


I'm planning to pick up a PS3 specifically for MGS4, Tekken 6, and anything else that might surprise me.


Happy Day! Sony announced the new bundle at the new price point, today.

Here's the link! (http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=164508)

[Kenobi.Akuyuu]

So Cryptic won't be developing a PlayStation 3 version of the game? On the Cryptic Studios page it says the game is only for the Xbox 360 and PC. If thats true, it's kind of a disappointment, this game looks really good and I'd defiantly buy it if it were released on the PlayStation 3. It sucks that developers always push aside the PlayStation 3.

At least take it into consideration Cryptic. =]


First of all... you're now the only person I know that owns a ps3.

Secondly it's a pain the rear to code for it.

Then I'm sure it has something to do with the previous deal with MS.

Finaly, XBL rules that playstaion thing.

[rmosiondz]

We have no current plans to develop Champions Online for the PS3.

[Connobi]

I for one am just hoping it even makes it onto the 360 let alone the PS3, because no decent MMO has made it to a console yet! :(

For the 360, Marvel Universe got cancelled, Huxley is looking like Vaporware, and Conan keeps getting pushed back. Yes, I know Final Fantasy & Phantasy Star are on the 360, but they aren't in the same league as true MMOs like Warcraft, Guild Wars, COH, & LOTR online, none of which are on the 360, but could be.
& yes, some may argue that Marvel has evolved into Champions. But my point it still the same. Until I'm playing it in spring 2009 I'm not holding my breath, sadly.

Also, remember that the 360 is approaching midlife for a console, most of which have a lifespan of between 4 to 6 years. If Champions gets delayed repeatedly, could Cryptic just decide for a PC only release & throw it out on the next Xbox? In my opinion launching spring next year is pushing it, as Cryptic have to realize doing an MMO on a console means you have a limited time window of opportunity & profit.

I know that’s looking at the glass half empty, but the original Xbox had some promising MMOs on the horizon that all got cancelled. No console yet has managed a decent MMO, despite the fact people are crying out for one! So far consoles & MMO's haven't been best buddies.

Come on Cryptic, prove me wrong. Break the mold & release this game on time, with no delays, & PLEASE, make it good!!

[Idmode]

We have no current plans to develop Champions Online for the PS3.

well... this ends the discussion... I would love too to see a PS3 version... I will buy pc one of course (no xbox will never touch my home... ;) )

[Skruff]

I for one am just hoping it even makes it onto the 360 let alone the PS3, because no decent MMO has made it to a console yet! :(

For the 360, Marvel Universe got cancelled, Huxley is looking like Vaporware, and Conan keeps getting pushed back. Yes, I know Final Fantasy & Phantasy Star are on the 360, but they aren't in the same league as true MMOs like Warcraft, Guild Wars, COH, & LOTR online, none of which are on the 360, but could be.
& yes, some may argue that Marvel has evolved into Champions. But my point it still the same. Until I'm playing it in spring 2009 I'm not holding my breath, sadly.

Also, remember that the 360 is approaching midlife for a console, most of which have a lifespan of between 4 to 6 years. If Champions gets delayed repeatedly, could Cryptic just decide for a PC only release & throw it out on the next Xbox? In my opinion launching spring next year is pushing it, as Cryptic have to realize doing an MMO on a console means you have a limited time window of opportunity & profit.

I know that’s looking at the glass half empty, but the original Xbox had some promising MMOs on the horizon that all got cancelled. No console yet has managed a decent MMO, despite the fact people are crying out for one! So far consoles & MMO's haven't been best buddies.

Come on Cryptic, prove me wrong. Break the mold & release this game on time, with no delays, & PLEASE, make it good!!

That's been one of my bigger concerns about releasing it on the XBox360, particularly since we saw pretty much every announced MMO canceled on the original XBox. I'd hate to see either a) this game get delayed significantly and not be introduced until the end of the 360 lifecycle or b) the game canceled outright on the 360 for whatever reason.

I'm hopeful that Cryptic is already well enough along in development that any delays will be minimal. :)

[Detroiter]

That's been one of my bigger concerns about releasing it on the XBox360, particularly since we saw pretty much every announced MMO canceled on the original XBox. I'd hate to see either a) this game get delayed significantly and not be introduced until the end of the 360 lifecycle or b) the game canceled outright on the 360 for whatever reason.

I'm hopeful that Cryptic is already well enough along in development that any delays will be minimal. :)

Isn't Final Fantasy XI still doing well on the 360?

[Hythian]

That's been one of my bigger concerns about releasing it on the XBox360, particularly since we saw pretty much every announced MMO canceled on the original XBox. I'd hate to see either a) this game get delayed significantly and not be introduced until the end of the 360 lifecycle or b) the game canceled outright on the 360 for whatever reason.

I'm hopeful that Cryptic is already well enough along in development that any delays will be minimal. :)

Uh, Game Informer magazine has already played a demo version of the game on both the PC and the Xbox 360.

From the magazine article:
"We sit down in a demo room with several of the game's developers. A crazy link-up of Xbox 360s and PCs fills the small space, and we each take a station -"

So they were not only already playing the game on both the 360 and PC but were playing the game with both platforms already working togethor, which is one of their announced release goals. I would say that that bodes well for them getting it out on the 360 on time.

As for MMOs on the 360 in general... FFXI and PSU (Phantasy Star Universe) are already on the 360. Age of Conan is coming to the 360 this September (the PC release date is May I believe).

So while 'Marvel Universe Online' (cancelled not for technical reasons, but business ones (read here (http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/02/11/microsofts-shane-kim-on-fable-2-why-marvel-mmo-was-canceled-and-more))) and 'True Fantasy Live Online' haven't made it out for the Xbox platform, it does currently support active MMOs.

[DamienPhoenix]

I have a PS3 as well but I am pretty certain we won't see this game on PS3 anytime soon if at all. Isn't Sony still working on the DC universe MMO? Not to mention NCSoft title coming to PS3. It just seems like a lot of competition Cryptic would have to compete with at this point. On the 360, they can be WoW of the the Xbox potentially. i planned on getting a 360 anyway eventually (Fable is my favorite game of all time), the announcement of this game simply solidifies it.

[Marvolo]

We have no current plans to develop Champions Online for the PS3.

That makes me a sad panda-

[guyhey]

We have no current plans to develop Champions Online for the PS3.

Woo hoo boycott game systems that have the gull to try and charge people $600 at console release. We cannot give them permission to overcharge us!

[The_Cosmic_Sentry]

We have no current plans to develop Champions Online for the PS3.

Thank goodness! they won with blue-ray, but they can never take our Champions!

achem, sorry xbox/HD loyalist here.

[DoomJr.]

I will be playing on xbox360. I would like to have a PS3 to play some of the exclusives they have and to watch Blu-Ray.

Here is my thing with PS3 and games though and this is just an opinion. I feel that the PS3 is mostly being bought as a Blu-Ray player and not a game machine. I know people who dont even play video games that are buying PS3. Yeah they might buy a few of the games but I dont see them spending too much on games. Only time will tell, keep you eye on how many games are sold especially cross platform titles.

Just my two cents, cant wait to kick to super villians butt.

[GotTofu]

FFXI online did good over all. Not sure how good it did on 360 as it was release first of PS2 and computer and much later on the 360. I do admit I had all 3 versions.

[Stunt]

We have no current plans to develop Champions Online for the PS3.

Oh, that sucks. Hey, at least take it into consideration. =]

[Gash-jackel]

Sony's hardware is vastly different from standard PC architecture (which the 360 is actually similarish too). The extra costs associated would be huge and make it pointless.

[L33tMasta]

Why would they port this over to the PS3? To make us wait longer because of the dev times? Keeping it Pc/PS3 exclusive is a good thing. The cell CPU just doesn't conform to the way a CPU should and does work in this modern age and the dev time would increase atleast by another year if they wanted to release it all at the same time. Not to mention the Xbox 360 has the better dev kit, it's easy to port from a PC, it has more functionality than a PS3, better online community and DLC setup and all around has better looking games that are more fun.

[BlackArachnia]

I for one am just hoping it even makes it onto the 360 let alone the PS3, because no decent MMO has made it to a console yet! :(

For the 360, Marvel Universe got cancelled, Huxley is looking like Vaporware, and Conan keeps getting pushed back. Yes, I know Final Fantasy & Phantasy Star are on the 360, but they aren't in the same league as true MMOs like Warcraft, Guild Wars, COH, & LOTR online, none of which are on the 360, but could be.
& yes, some may argue that Marvel has evolved into Champions. But my point it still the same. Until I'm playing it in spring 2009 I'm not holding my breath, sadly.

Also, remember that the 360 is approaching midlife for a console, most of which have a lifespan of between 4 to 6 years. If Champions gets delayed repeatedly, could Cryptic just decide for a PC only release & throw it out on the next Xbox? In my opinion launching spring next year is pushing it, as Cryptic have to realize doing an MMO on a console means you have a limited time window of opportunity & profit.

I know that’s looking at the glass half empty, but the original Xbox had some promising MMOs on the horizon that all got cancelled. No console yet has managed a decent MMO, despite the fact people are crying out for one! So far consoles & MMO's haven't been best buddies.

Come on Cryptic, prove me wrong. Break the mold & release this game on time, with no delays, & PLEASE, make it good!!

You do realize that FFXI is pushing numbers like EQ2, and EQ1, and has been holding as steady number wise as Co* has? It is a true MMORPG. FFXI consistantly pushes 200k subscribers. That is GOOD for a MMORPG. WoW is a fluke.

[Barum]

Why would they port this over to the PS3? To make us wait longer because of the dev times? Keeping it Pc/PS3 exclusive is a good thing. The cell CPU just doesn't conform to the way a CPU should and does work in this modern age and the dev time would increase atleast by another year if they wanted to release it all at the same time. Not to mention the Xbox 360 has the better dev kit, it's easy to port from a PC, it has more functionality than a PS3, better online community and DLC setup and all around has better looking games that are more fun.


While I would agree that the XBL community is more established, having been in existence for 12 months longer than PSN, I can't see how that makes it better...

The Cell Processor doesn't conform to the way a CPU should? What does that mean? If it isn't Intel or AMD it isn't a CPU? Hmmm. To be more precise, you said: The cell CPU just doesn't conform to the way a CPU should and does work in this modern age

How SHOULD a CPU work in this modern age? Should it be a reitteration of what people have been doing for the last 43 years, but with more transistors? ( I say 43 years, as that's when Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law#Ultimate_limits_of_the_law) devised his law re: transistor density.)

While the XBOX is a good machine, particularly for applications like this (http://kotaku.com/361361/darpas-crusher-xbox-360-goty),

I think this (http://gizmodo.com/363985/air-force-buys-300-playstation-3-for-research) says a lot more about PS3.

From the Gamespot report on GDC'08:

Blackman says that, after some hard-learned lessons, LucasArts now has a strategy for future multiplatform titles--develop the PS3 version first. "Our next project will use the PS3 as the baseline, and then apply that to the Xbox 360," he said.

Scott Steinberg, Sony Computer Entertainment America's vice president of product marketing, stated that virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. "They all are now, since it's just easier that way," he told GameSpot.

[AutomaticZen]

From the Gamespot report on GDC'08:

Blackman says that, after some hard-learned lessons, LucasArts now has a strategy for future multiplatform titles--develop the PS3 version first. "Our next project will use the PS3 as the baseline, and then apply that to the Xbox 360," he said.

Scott Steinberg, Sony Computer Entertainment America's vice president of product marketing, stated that virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. "They all are now, since it's just easier that way," he told GameSpot.

This is true because the PS3 is more difficult to program for. It's easier, when you intend to go PS3/360 multiplatform, you front end the PS3, as that's where more of the hard work will come in, and then port to the relatively standard PC-esque 360. But the operative part is these companies intended to make a PS3/360 cross platform game. This is not the case here.

[L33tMasta]

While I would agree that the XBL community is more established, having been in existence for 12 months longer than PSN, I can't see how that makes it better...

The Cell Processor doesn't conform to the way a CPU should? What does that mean? If it isn't Intel or AMD it isn't a CPU? Hmmm. To be more precise, you said:

How SHOULD a CPU work in this modern age? Should it be a reitteration of what people have been doing for the last 43 years, but with more transistors? ( I say 43 years, as that's when Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law#Ultimate_limits_of_the_law) devised his law re: transistor density.)

While the XBOX is a good machine, particularly for applications like this (http://kotaku.com/361361/darpas-crusher-xbox-360-goty),

I think this (http://gizmodo.com/363985/air-force-buys-300-playstation-3-for-research) says a lot more about PS3.

From the Gamespot report on GDC'08:

Blackman says that, after some hard-learned lessons, LucasArts now has a strategy for future multiplatform titles--develop the PS3 version first. "Our next project will use the PS3 as the baseline, and then apply that to the Xbox 360," he said.

Scott Steinberg, Sony Computer Entertainment America's vice president of product marketing, stated that virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. "They all are now, since it's just easier that way," he told GameSpot.

Lucasarts is doing that because the PS3 is vastly inferiour when it comes to production times.

[Godswarrior]

I haven't read any of the replies to the thread. All i saw was that VILE PS3 and threw my flag. I hope that system never sees any form of this game. Screw you Sony!

[L33tMasta]

I haven't read any of the replies to the thread. All i saw was that VILE PS3 and threw my flag. I hope that system never sees any form of this game. Screw you Sony!

I approve of this post.

[Stunt]

I haven't read any of the replies to the thread. All i saw was that VILE PS3 and threw my flag. I hope that system never sees any form of this game. Screw you Sony!

A little immature if you ask me, no?

[Mykian]

The graphics on a PS3 with a big screen HDTV, using a HDMI cable.... drools..... can it get any better than that?

[Godswarrior]

A little immature if you ask me, no?

Maybe a little but really can't stand that thing. I will eventually get one thought only for Ratchet and Metal Gear. But i think Playstation got screwed on exclusive games so there is not really a point.

[L33tMasta]

The graphics on a PS3 with a big screen HDTV, using a HDMI cable.... drools..... can it get any better than that?

Yea man. It's called an Xbox 360.

[Hoplite]

The graphics on a PS3 with a big screen HDTV, using a HDMI cable.... drools..... can it get any better than that?

Yes, it's called PC. with better frame rates and more effects.

[Godswarrior]

The graphics on a PS3 with a big screen HDTV, using a HDMI cable.... drools..... can it get any better than that?

It's called the Imagination. Unlimited free playtime. No need to save. And all the characters talk, even the NPCs. The best part is we don't need to buy it!

[GiGaByTe]

It's called the Imagination. Unlimited free playtime. No need to save. And all the characters talk, even the NPCs. The best part is we don't need to buy it!

Problem is it seems the distributor seems unwilling to give it to randomly selected people; some people will be given a superfluous amount at birth while others are given none.

He's a bit of a dick in that respect :p

[L33tMasta]

It's called the Imagination. Unlimited free playtime. No need to save. And all the characters talk, even the NPCs. The best part is we don't need to buy it!

Why imagine when a 360 gives a better experience? Go play Mass Effect :P

[steriaca]

It's called the Imagination. Unlimited free playtime. No need to save. And all the characters talk, even the NPCs. The best part is we don't need to buy it!

I agree, except you need a few friends, tons of six sided dice, pen, paper, Hero System Rulebook (Fred, for thoes in the know), and the time to play (about 6 hours for a good game).

[TravelerFarlander]

We have no current plans to develop Champions Online for the PS3.

Thanks for answering this. Is there any chance of development for any other platforms? MacOS, Linux, anything other than Windows Vista or the XBox360?

[Hoplite]

Thanks for answering this. Is there any chance of development for any other platforms? MacOS, Linux, anything other than Windows Vista or the XBox360?

It will be windows XP/Vista and 360.

because of needing to give the game a direct X bias it is very time consuming to get it to run on OSX and linux natively. though wine would run it fine I would imagine, if you have the underlying hardware.

[pudds]

Sony's hardware is vastly different from standard PC architecture (which the 360 is actually similarish too).

I'd think this is the key reason. While we all know its feasible to build a cross-console game, its worth noting that MMOs require extra, ongoing development.

Developing, testing, debugging and deploying a game that works on PC, Xbox360, PS3 and Wii is one thing...creating on-going, updated content (ala the typical MMO patch/issue model) is an entirely different thing.

Building for systems which are not much alike means that extra development, testing, debugging and deployment time takes a significantly larger investment for each and every update.

[Monody]

While I would agree that the XBL community is more established, having been in existence for 12 months longer than PSN, I can't see how that makes it better...

The Cell Processor doesn't conform to the way a CPU should? What does that mean? If it isn't Intel or AMD it isn't a CPU? Hmmm. To be more precise, you said:

How SHOULD a CPU work in this modern age? Should it be a reitteration of what people have been doing for the last 43 years, but with more transistors? ( I say 43 years, as that's when Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law#Ultimate_limits_of_the_law) devised his law re: transistor density.)

While the XBOX is a good machine, particularly for applications like this (http://kotaku.com/361361/darpas-crusher-xbox-360-goty),

I think this (http://gizmodo.com/363985/air-force-buys-300-playstation-3-for-research) says a lot more about PS3.

From the Gamespot report on GDC'08:

Blackman says that, after some hard-learned lessons, LucasArts now has a strategy for future multiplatform titles--develop the PS3 version first. "Our next project will use the PS3 as the baseline, and then apply that to the Xbox 360," he said.

Scott Steinberg, Sony Computer Entertainment America's vice president of product marketing, stated that virtually every third-party publisher is now developing for the PS3 first. "They all are now, since it's just easier that way," he told GameSpot.

I would like to note, a Sony rep is bound to promote their product...

As for the Cell Processor that PS3 has, I'm having a hard time differentiating it from normal processors in that it's a 9 core system that utilizes a main core with a PowerPC code structure associating with the other eight cores acting as vector processors.

In other words, the processor is just a unix model of a multi core processor. It's vastly superior to modern CPU's because it has more cores and a code structure that specifically utilizes it as opposed to Apple which is designed to detect and utilize whatever amount of cores it's given be it two or two hundred in a dynamic structure as well as Microsoft adapting their software to do the same.

What does this mean? PC is really not threatened at all by Cell Processors as well as the fact that even if they could utilize them, normal processors really are getting set to fly by them in terms of power in the next few years.

As for the 360, well, it's a 3 core system, not much can be done about that, but considering the fact that "next gen" really seems to have two stages right now, DX9 and DX10 in terms of quality, and for an mmo in order to deal with wide spread compatibility the game will likely aim for DX9 quality as a base with Dx10 quality at best only as a high end option, the 360 is gonna run the game just as good and just as pretty as the PS3 would be capable of, and you won't have to overcome the random little programming and translation hurdles every time you want to update.

[Odhinn]

Disclaimer I have not read the entire thread.

Not developing for the PS3 makes perfect business sense. The 360 has a significantly larger user base and is less expensive to develop for than the 360.

[Super3clipse]

I though MS owned some rights too this title?

[TravelerFarlander]

I though MS owned some rights too this title?

Microsoft backed out and ended their partnership with the Marvel MMO project, which is what led Cryptic to rebrand it as Champions Online.

[Super3clipse]

Microsoft backed out and ended their partnership with the Marvel MMO project, which is what led Cryptic to rebrand it as Champions Online.

You sure? I though they change they named because they lost the rights too Marvel title.

Oh well.

[TravelerFarlander]

You sure? I though they change they named because they lost the rights too Marvel title.

Oh well.

Positive, yes. It was, if I remember correctly, a case where Microsoft was the party that had the rights to develop a Marvel MMO and, in pulling out of this project, took the license with them.

[l33tsh4rk]

CO is being developed, produced, and published by Cryptic, if I am not mistaken. It will be the first major MMO to do so.

[golanthe]

edit: found my answer a page or 2 bk

[Lost]

CO is being developed, produced, and published by Cryptic, if I am not mistaken. It will be the first major MMO to do so.

Its not the first , but its a big step when any developer decides to become a publisher. The CEO has to be very good , the resources have to be well spent , and they have to work about 100x to prove themselves as publisher than most did back in 1980s , 90s or 2ks.

Developing for Xbox (any console) normally mean they have data or information we dont have. Most companies dont make business risk, without knowing what they are getting into. Microsoft has stepup to the plate finally , allowing SDKs , and more development tools to be had for free by small developers.

SOE wont share thier tools , often charges for them, you also have to make a pact with the devil when dealing them. Like they have the right to buy out failing games , and then they take actions to save a MMORPG , which is like cutting off the hand to save the arm.

The PS3 / Ps2 is on thin ice , and probly see a lay offs in the US , development might begin to slow down because they took so many losses. Even the poor guy who developing internet thing , was cut and replaced by Smed's goons last month.

I dont like Xbox , or Ps3 , but I trust Cryptic to know what they are doing and how to develop thier product. Jack is alot of things , wise , tough and smart to name a few, so if say Ps3 , there must be something we dont that is going on behind the scenes.

[Reliquary]

The fact that theyre developing for consoles at all is a bad sign for the finished product. Games developed simultaneously for consoles invariably end up as a "dumbed down" version of what otherwise may have been a good PC game. Im giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one, but I wish they weren't developing for consoles at all.

Oh, and PS3 Fanboys, perhaps you might want to read why the PS3 sucks for cross platform development from someone who actually *knows* :

http://jbooth.blogspot.com/

Um, hi. Most everything in that blogpost is opinion, and the facts there are appear to be kind of outdated.

Development for the PS3 doesn't "suck". Sure, developing for PC and 360 is more convenient, but let's not slam the PS3, which is clearly the superior machine in many people's eyes.

[spaZZ]

i agree a PS3 shouldn't be shunned from this game

[Devon]

I don't think that PS2 would be any good for this game. It would just add extra time onto making the game.

[UnkoMan]

Lots of people have been mentioning the 360 having a larger user base, but that brings to mind the question... How come the don't develop this for the Wii?

Okay, so it's not as powerful and blah blah blah, but they've been able to make fun, good looking games. And people love it. Really, if you developed a decent game on this platform, you are sure to sell quite a few based on the number of people who own the system alone. As if you had something on every system available, then the numbers go up even more, not to mention the word of mouth sales to friends who happen to own different consoles.

Of course, what do I know about game development? Nothing. I just know what is fun, and what people enjoy.

[Dwalker]

I for one do owna PS3 and I'd like it a whole lot more if CO was going to be released for it as well. But I kinda get that they might be tied up with Microsoft and the 360 on this one.

Heres for hoping they havent completly given up on even trying cross platform, but either way I'll be getting CO for the comp as soon as its released, because either way this sounds something like the Ultimate Game!:D to me.

[Lunation]

The PS3 has outsold the 360 this quarter
.

If The Reason Was For Sales Then The Wii Would See Everything Being That Thats Blowing Them Both Out Of The Water ATM.

[Captain-Spith]

Champions Online is not merely Cryptic waking up one day and saying "Hey, let's make City of Heroes the way we REALLY wanted to in the FIRST place!" Champions Online was made possible by a couple of fortuitous coincidences; FIRST Cryptic was approached by Microsoft and/or Marvel to create the Marvel MMO, so they started work on the game under those expectations and guidelines. Since Microsoft was involved, they wanted to make it cross-platform with the X-Box.

For whatever reasons, the project was cancelled, which offered Cryptic the opportunity to take the work that was already done, and buy it (in whatever form that took) for themselves. Making a partnership(?) of some level with Hero Games, they decided to self-publish the game as Champions Online.

Now, the key point here is that they had already put X amount of work into development, so anything they were going to put out was going to be based on the skeleton or framework of what they had already developed. Most, if not all, of us here have no idea what level that development had reached, but it certainly included whatever was necessary to make the game cross-compatable with the X-Box.

So there it is. Champions Online is slated to be on the X-Box at least partly because that is the direction the development was going from the start. Making it a console-compatable MMO is something that will help it compete with their previous Superhero MMO effort, so it would be silly to backtrack or start over to make it for a different console than the one they had already been programming for.

I don't think it has much of anything to do with whether Cryptic has any particular dislike or preference for any particular console, just pure practicality - take the work that has already been done and move forward with it.

[ghimel]

I have an XBOX 360 for 2 reasons:

1. What all my friends have and enjoy playing online with them.

2. I enjoy their library of games. The only appealing PS3 game for me will be FF13 when it comes out. Even though I have the spiritual FF13 in Lost Odyssey.

Which is better? Meh.

About Cryptic's decision to go the Microsoft route? I think it was a contract they got into when Marvel was still around and they never got out of it when they bailed.

Personally, I'm glad they did. I don't know why, but I am hesitant to think that a DC or Marvel MMO will be successful. Don't know why. Going the Champion route seems so much better.