Furry-themed characters?

[FrithRa]

I just learned about this game today from some fellow CoH supergroup members. I'm curious, are there going to be customization options for furry heroes and villains? CoH had a few, but a lot of species were left out.

Thanks in advance :)

- Frith Ra, The Black Wolf

[zzMDude]

Uh......as in....like, werewolves and weretigers? Probably.

As in, Warner Brothers/Disney characters with inhumanly large racks? Lord help us, no.

Also: This thread will not end well.

[Tiger]

And an option for "Animal" claws not just "Wolverine" claws.

I just learned about this game today from some fellow CoH supergroup members. I'm curious, are there going to be customization options for furry heroes and villains? CoH had a few, but a lot of species were left out.

Thanks in advance :)

- Frith Ra, The Black Wolf

[CaptainAtomyc]

Yeah Id like to see claws ala Sabretooth, and many other feral hero/villains, and not just Wolverine.

Cap

[Certified]

It would be interesting to see how many Furry characters pop up if there are fur covered body options and animal heads. Makes me picture the old TMNT and After The Bomb RPGs, then again it also makes me picture Furry Weekend Atlanta.

[Judo_Jet]

Was just reading on Massively that movement options will part of the customization process. So you can make your catgirl prowl about on all fours, if that's your thing.

So, yeah - I'm thinking that SWFs (Superheroes w/ Fur) will be well-supported.

[DragonEye]

I'm hoping so. CoX didnt get this till CoV, so i quit after playing after a month till I learned CoV had it.

This would require:
Furry / Scaly / maybe feathered body options.
Animal Heads
Tails (make sure they match the head options too, so if you put in the wolf head, put in a wolf tail too!)
CoX's 'monsterous' Legs

My votes for this go for:
Wolf, Big cat, Reptile (maybe a lizardlike option and a dragonlike option)Bird(Eagle likely), Bat (not the ugly abonimation we saw in CoX), Rodent and Minotaur(Bull)

And PLEASE let us accessorize these. Horn styles are a must, along with other things like Goggles would be cool.

[Farahl]

Fangs would be keen...but that might just lead to more people rolling vampire characters.

I'm sure Cryptic will end up putting in things to appease those who like their furry superheroes and thief away CoX's strangely large furry community.

I like skin m'self. Nice, smooth, humany skin. Mmm.

[Judo_Jet]

I'm hoping so. CoX didnt get this till CoV, so i quit after playing for a month till I learned CoV had it.

This would require:
Furry / Scaly / maybe feathered body options.
Animal Heads
Tails (make sure they match the head options too, so if you put in the wolf head, put in a wolf tail too!)
CoX's 'monsterous' Legs

My votes for this go for:
Wolf, Big cat, Reptile (maybe a lizardlike option and a dragonlike option)Bird(Eagle likely), Bat (not the ugly abonimation we saw in CoX), Rodent and Minotaur(Bull)

And PLEASE let us accessorize these. Horn styles are a must, along with other things like Goggles would be cool.
Requisite Simpsons reference incoming...

Ze goggles! Zey do nuthink!

[Webad]

You can keep your furry Yeti, Sasquatch and Ron Jeremy......

I prefer my enemies to be able to see their own look on their faces of cold polished metal alloys as I break random bones, up close & personal.
-Booya

[RabidMetroid]

I'm sure Cryptic will end up putting in things to appease those who like their furry superheroes and thief away CoX's strangely large furry community.

I think part of the reason CoX has such a large furry community is because they're the best MMO for making that type of character in. Costume/body parts and powers that can be mixed and matched to cover a wide range of character types. It's simply the best place for them to go.

And if Champions Online becomes a better place for them to go, then come here they will.

Personally, I hope CO manages to top it. I like my CoX animal based characters, and my dragons, and even my astral warrior who's astral form is totally normal save for the cat tail that he still can't explain. I'd love to remake them in a new game. I'd also love to be able to remake my animal-based Champions characters in CO, even though I know the powers I had will have to be changed some.

[Avatar_of_Champions]

I just pray to God (in vain probably, I might add) that they don't give us options for Neko(cat) girls and bunny girls...

Because neko neko makes me want to cry :(

[darkgolem]

.

Also: This thread will not end well.

Wow, you are soo right.

Cause there are animalistic villians and heroes, and then there are "furries".. way different.

[justicefishy]

I just pray to God (in vain probably, I might add) that they don't give us options for Neko(cat) girls and bunny girls...

Because neko neko makes me want to cry :(

They have this is CoH, it'll only get better (worse) in Champions

[Avatar_of_Champions]

They have this is CoH, it'll only get better (worse) in Champions

I know thats why I said I did not want them!

[OniDaimyo]

If PVP is in the game I will make a anti-furry who specifically targets furries first in any fight. I was SO sick of how many Catgirls were in COH. Don't teeny bopper girls have any more original ideas than furries or faeries? It's only slightly better than the people who rip-off famous comic book chars.

[RabidMetroid]

If PVP is in the game I will make a anti-furry who specifically targets furries first in any fight. I was SO sick of how many Catgirls were in COH. Don't teeny bopper girls have any more original ideas than furries or faeries? It's only slightly better than the people who rip-off famous comic book chars.

Not all "Catgirls" are the same, though. Some are actually good characters that just happen to be young, female, and feline.

[Avatar_of_Champions]

But a lot of them sure as hell did it!...

There maybe be good catgirls but they our outnumbered 100 to 1 by the bad ones.

[Bad_Luck]

I just pray to God (in vain probably, I might add) that they don't give us options for Neko(cat) girls and bunny girls...

Because neko neko makes me want to cry :(

This game will be epic fail without 'em.

[Bad_Luck]

If PVP is in the game I will make a anti-furry who specifically targets furries first in any fight. I was SO sick of how many Catgirls were in COH. Don't teeny bopper girls have any more original ideas than furries or faeries? It's only slightly better than the people who rip-off famous comic book chars.

Cat girls are a comics staple, so there.

[Certified]

Cat girls are a comics staple, so there.

So uh, not that I have anything against the cat girls but outside of Cat Woman (I don't think she counts) and you name me a couple of these anthropomorphic ladies in a non-manga.

[TerraDraconis]

The video definitely shows some monstrous body types and heads. So I fully expect that we can build furry types if you want them. Yeah that means I am one step closer to building Black Dragon properly in an online superhero MMOG. :)

[OniDaimyo]

Cat girls are a comics staple, so there.

Not in any decent comics they aren't. I don't notice a ton in DC or Marvel at all.

Also in Deadpools comic, annoying cutesy chars dying are a staple, so there. :-p I swear if more people would spay and neuter there pets we would have less furries...

[Bad_Luck]

So uh, not that I have anything against the cat girls but outside of Cat Woman (I don't think she counts) and you name me a couple of these anthropomorphic ladies in a non-manga.

*pfft* Give me something hard. I'll also include some cat guys as well. And of course Cat Woman counts.

Wildcat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_%28comics%29) or even Wildcat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_%28Yolanda_Montez%29).

Lynx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28comics%29)

Tigra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigra)

Black Panther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_%28comics%29)

Silverclaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverclaw)

Hellcat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellcat_%28comics%29)

Mynx (http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Mynx) even though it doesn't really mention she's in the CoH comics.

Black Cat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cat_%28comics%29)

Puma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puma_%28comics%29)

Feral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_%28comics%29)

That should be sufficient, but I'm sure there are more.

Edit: Remember Catman and Cheetah, wiki 'em yourselves if you want.

[Bad_Luck]

Not in any decent comics they aren't. I don't notice a ton in DC or Marvel at all.

Also in Deadpools comic, annoying cutesy chars dying are a staple, so there. :-p I swear if more people would spay and neuter there pets we would have less furries...


I can only conclude you are blind, or don't read any good comics.

[BadXAsh]

As in, Warner Brothers/Disney characters with inhumanly large racks? Lord help us, no.


... We are talking about a comic book game right? I thought inhumanly large racks for ALL females were standard.

[Bad_Luck]

... We are talking about a comic book game right? I thought inhumanly large racks for ALL females were standard.

Talk about your comic staples...hehe

[Gryphon]

... We are talking about a comic book game right? I thought inhumanly large racks for ALL females were standard.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.....

*whistles*

Whop, was that out loud?

And........ somebody mentioned Ron Jeremy. This thread is now dead.

[OniDaimyo]

I can only conclude you are blind, or don't read any good comics.

I can only conclude you are reaching. Those characters you mentioned are a small handful and are NOT catgirls whatsoever or furries. They are not anthromorphic animal people. Most of them just have costumes with animal parts. It helps if you actually know what a cat girl is. ;) So once again they are not really a staple. The are a small handful at best. Oh and sorry if I don't have a lot of cash to spend on comics which don't interest me anyway. Comics ain't exactly cheap anymore.

[Bad_Luck]

I can only conclude you are reaching. Those characters you mentioned are a small handfull and are NOT catgirls whatsoever or furries. They are not anthromorphic cat people. Most of them just have custumes with animal parts. It helps if you actually know what a cat girl is. ;)

By that reasoning most catgirls (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_catgirls#Western_catgirls) in anime/manga aren't catgirls since most of those are also people who dress up and act like cats.. And really, if you're going with that reasoning, most of the people you are referring to negatively aren't catgirls (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=catgirl) as well. I think your definition of catgirl (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=d7L&defl=en&q=define:Catgirl&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title) is terribly limited.

[OniDaimyo]

... We are talking about a comic book game right? I thought inhumanly large racks for ALL females were standard.

The men in comics aren't exactly small either.

[Skawpya]

On the assumption that the devs have someone monitoring these forums for ideas, trends, and so forth, I will put my vote in now for furry themed characters with about six to seven heads to cover most common mammals and reptiles, wings, tails, and digigrade legs, if the costumes are done such that they can also use everything the standard models do, so much the better.

[Vlos]

I do declare, gb2/fchan/.

[Wraithlord]

I'm hoping for more all around animal type stuff, especially dragons!

[AngelSilhouette]

OOH! OOH!

I wanna be a ephelant, anna rhino, anna anna anna... Anna ephelarhino!!!! ^_________^

-edit- This may seem a very flip post, but I'm serious, I wanna make an elephant and rhino toon. ^____^

[BadXAsh]

The men in comics aren't exactly small either.

To true... Toooo true!

See Comics have all the fun kinks, Furries, and Hypers, and Super heroine Capture! hehehe... what was this thread about? Oh yeah right!

On the topic of if there should be furries in this i am voting for yes please. I'm actually of a rare breed that actually Role plays in an MMORPG... *GASP!* I know shocking right? I have a blast playing out the wild animal in me and we've had great stories as a super group of Anthros. A lot of High Quality players are furries, just because you didn't see em standing around Atlas plaza probably meant the good ones were off having a great time. To be fair, how many ninja types did you see, or Copy written character clones, or gruff trench coated vigilantes? It comes down to the fact that every "Type" has some bad apples,

Tell you what... All you guys who care enough to read this thread but are not crazy about anthros, support us and the stuff we want, and i can promise you will certainly gain support for the things that you would like to add to this game as well, i would assume other furry players will, but if no one else you will at least have my support...

How bout it? Deal?

[warcabbit]

I have the sneaking suspicion that, with enough creativity, you'll be able to do anything you want.

[Malaclypse]

I just learned about this game today from some fellow CoH supergroup members. I'm curious, are there going to be customization options for furry heroes and villains? CoH had a few, but a lot of species were left out.

Thanks in advance :)

- Frith Ra, The Black Wolf

Well, we finally got some possibles in CoX... maybe this one will start reasonably.

Come on, there were anthropomorphic heros in many eras of comics!

But yeah, please?

PLEASE?

[AngelSilhouette]

I have the sneaking suspicion that, with enough creativity, you'll be able to do anything you want.

Hey! Cabbit! *pounce* ^_____^

[Malaclypse]

Wow, you are soo right.

Cause there are animalistic villians and heroes, and then there are "furries".. way different.

Hey, 'Furries' made it into Mystery Men...

Although none of the furries I know are QUITE that attractive. We didn't mind.

[Farahl]

Tell you what... All you guys who care enough to read this thread but are not crazy about anthros, support us and the stuff we want, and i can promise you will certainly gain support for the things that you would like to add to this game as well, i would assume other furry players will, but if no one else you will at least have my support...

How bout it? Deal?

Kay!

Honestly I'm just quoting and replying to say...I remember you from CoX!


And I profess...In CoX a catgirl was my main. But she was a self hating catgirl. Always complaining about her status as such.

[Webber]

Wow, you are soo right.

Cause there are animalistic villians and heroes, and then there are "furries".. way different.

Quoted for Truth.

Please, elaborate on what you mean, hmm? Do you want "furries", or do you want animalistic characters without the sexual based themes? *shutter*

[Lost]

I dont care what thier reason is for making a animalist character. None of my business , but everyone should be welcome here , be they DBZ , Marvel , DC , Image , Dark Horse .. any fan of any book should find safe habor here.

Any comic fan growing up , knows we are seen as outcast and freaks , should judge others , doesnt matter if you agree or disagree with thier choice. Its bad enough to be shun by people , its worst to have a dream and never see it through.

Now everyone hug and make up...

[Gyffes]

I'm all for people making whatever fits their character concept. If it's a "furry" so be it, if it's a 4 foot tall midget that kicks ankles, go for it. That's one of the big things I like with diverse character creation is all the choices. Everyone is going to have something different even if it doesn't quite fit to someones standards.

[Bad_Luck]

Quoted for Truth.

Please, elaborate on what you mean, hmm? Do you want "furries", or do you want animalistic characters without the sexual based themes? *shutter*

I think we all want that.

[SuperAngelo64]

Oh.

This is just wonderful.

[Rex_Havoc]

So uh, not that I have anything against the cat girls but outside of Cat Woman (I don't think she counts) and you name me a couple of these anthropomorphic ladies in a non-manga.

Tigra from the Avengers
Feral from X-Force
Wolfsbane from New Mutants

To name a few... :)

[Bad_Luck]

Tigra from the Avengers
Feral from X-Force
Wolfsbane from New Mutants

To name a few... :)

Rahne's more of a wolfgirl really :cool:

[Lupus]

Well... Personally, i want the furries to be in this game. Animalistic characters like Sabretooth would be ok. Yeah... Hopefully not "erotically enhanced", though.

[Cellshot]

Honestly, even if you utterly hate furries, you have to admit that animal parts are important to have as an option.
Not everybody has flight due to mystical powers and not all mutants are entirely human.

Why reject furries anyway? They're not gonna hurt anybody...

I say add the options, nobody is forcing you to use them.

[Jessie_Tell]

Furries are all well and good, I'm technically a furry myself and have no problems admitting it. However I fall on the side that 'furries' as a theme shouldn't really mingle in the comic book genre.

While furries in and of themselves are generally not a great idea for comics, anthropromorphic creatures have been a staple in comic books for a long while. As is prevelent in one of the more popular series, Spiderman, which has its fair share of animal crosses (Rhino, Lizard, Spider, Cat, Octopus, Bat... Ect.) and even had a story line involving the magical doohicky of the spider versus all these animals. However comic book anthros are usually humans that have been altered/cursed/mutated with animal like enhancements. However at their core these are still humans, regular people who have woes and a serious nature.

I do agree that there should be Feral like aspects, tails, heads, wings and fur covered bodies. However I don't think they should cross the realm into cute as is common in the furry fandom, seeing as athro characters in comics are usually fairly dangerous and ferocious (Sabertooth anyone?)

Personally I like human characters, I think I've made all of two anthro characters on CoX, and I don't even play them that much. Anthros do have their place in the comic book universe however, and its certainly a good idea to represent them in CO in some way or another.

[dkellis]

I like to play catgirls.

[General_Maximus]

I have nothing personally against furries, but I think in CoX they got preference far too often. I'm sick of seeing them add new tails and ears and stuff that I never use, when the game still doesn't have ANY decent cyborg pieces. I have no problem with the furries getting their tails and claws and everything in CO, as long as other concepts get the same attention.

It's a matter of preference, nothing more.

[BadXAsh]

I'm sick of seeing them add new tails and ears and stuff that I never use, when the game still doesn't have ANY decent cyborg pieces. I have no problem with the furries getting their tails and claws and everything in CO, as long as other concepts get the same attention.

I fully agree with you. Furries should not receive special treatment. I would love to see massive amounts of ALL costume parts. Cyborgs are a staple of the comic world.

As far as Anthro heroes, lets not forget the Ninja Turtles, and Splinter.

I don't think there should be a "Furry" type. Like in CoX most of my Anthro characters were of the mutant background. But the other Background types also work, Magic, Science, etc etc... There are so many ways that one can become an Anthro as oppose to *POOF* "I'm a cute and fuzzy furry! Tehee!" That would basically be the RP part of MMORPG Come up with a good background, cute or not... hehehe

[R.T.]

Personally...I hope -EVERYBODY'S- preferences get covered. Seriously. I wasn't a huge cyborg person...but if I saw a killer cyborg look on somebody...I gave them their props. Was catgirls overdone? Oh yeah. You could say the same for the multitude of vampires. (Yes you WoD Vamp fans....I'm refering to you. ;) ) It was cool for the first month...but I got sick of it after that. Didn't mean that in this game they should get their pale skin color or the option to dye everything they were black.

What about all the demon toons? That got old as well. It's to the point that any red skinned, horn having scantily clad wearing female is automatically labeled as a cybering succubus. Does this mean that we should outlaw horns and tails and the option to pick a red skin tone? Nope.

Now I understand where some of you are comming from in regards to the whole furry thing. But please don't generalize everybody. Remember: This is an MMO space that we have to share here. Don't like catgirls? Avoid em. One guy on Virtue made a toon called the catgirl hunter. It was hillarious. He actively hunted down catgirls. It was fun for both sides.

I say put as many options in there as possible. Remember: Just because you don't like it...doesn't mean someone else won't like it either. And I don't know about you...but I want this game to succeed.

Besides...the more options there are...the easier it will be to bring my Dragon, Werepather and my human in Bioarmor hero over to CO. :D

[Dekuthe]

I can't believe this thread! I'm appalled............6 pages of debate on "furry" characters and only ONE person mentioned the ninja turtle universe. They had nearly every animal present, and i'm not going to lie, if CO made it possible for me to make a lil bunny character i'd have to make a duel sword weilding Usagi Yojimbo. I say bring on all the options, the costume options the better!

[DragonEye]

I have nothing personally against furries, but I think in CoX they got preference far too often. I'm sick of seeing them add new tails and ears and stuff that I never use, when the game still doesn't have ANY decent cyborg pieces. I have no problem with the furries getting their tails and claws and everything in CO, as long as other concepts get the same attention.

It's a matter of preference, nothing more.

Are you kidding? They hardly added anything and didn't even finish what they started.

They never finished off the wolf set, and all that has been added since CoV has been a few token ears that dont even fit onto the animal heads, and a bunny tail that is more for the bunnysuit girls than anything.

I expected flaming and hate, along with misinformed claims. And please PLEASE dont assume animal themed hero / furry = 'yiff', its doesn't. There is a bizzare fetishist subculture to every genre, and furries hate them as much as you do. Completelt seperate this genre, please.

The fact is this thread is full of a lot of misinformed opinions, that just seem to try and hold their hands over their ears and close their eyes to ignore the truth. The comic book genre is full of 'animal men' characters. Its a staple.

Bad_Luck mentioned a lot that some even claimed that they were not what they were! (though some of them weren't)

Lets start.

Beast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_(comics))

The Lizard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_(comics))

Stegron (http://www.comicvine.com/stegron/7776/)

Tigra (http://www.comicvine.com/tigra/21188/costumes/&c=1994)

Feral (http://www.comicvine.com/feral/2160/)

Puma (http://www.comicvine.com/puma/15238/)

King Shark (http://www.comicvine.com/king-shark/17772/)

Grodd (http://www.comicvine.com/gorilla-grodd/2380/)

Man beast (http://www.comicvine.com/man-beast/14524/costumes/&c=7877)

Howler (http://www.comicvine.com/howler/17752/) (and the wild men)

Charlaxes (http://www.comicvine.com/charaxes/9908/)

Man Bat (and family) (http://www.comicvine.com/man-bat/23726/)

Werewolf (http://www.comicvine.com/werewolf-by-night/4984/)

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Anyway, thats enough links by now.. i can do a lot more but i dont have time right now. The point i'm trying to make, is that these kinds of characters often appear in comics, and a large playerbase has a lot of fun playing these kinds of characters. Please differentiate us from the internet 'furries'. A lof of us are furries, I myself can probably fall under the category if you see someone who likes playing animal-themed heroes and characters. I just find it a lot of fun. In fact Almost all the Superheroes I have played in pencil and paper RPG's are animal-themed.

Mostly, this kind of character falls into the background shots in comics, few become full fledged characters or have any big comic roles, but I can think of TONS of background shots in X men comics that show animal themed mutants. Ive seen everything from snake-men mutants to Elephant-men, and thats just during the civil war xmen comics.

These things do exist in comic book settings, and are quite prevalent. I dont think it would be wise for us to be ignored. since frankly, the MMO which has the option for me to create the character I want is the one that gets my money, and I know for a fact I can make my were-wolf and my Lizard-man in CoX.

[Balefor]

I have nothing personally against furries, but I think in CoX they got preference far too often. I'm sick of seeing them add new tails and ears and stuff that I never use, when the game still doesn't have ANY decent cyborg pieces. I have no problem with the furries getting their tails and claws and everything in CO, as long as other concepts get the same attention.

It's a matter of preference, nothing more.

Exaggerate much? They added the 'furry' heads, legs etcetera with Issue 6, then they made the option to choose different types of ears with Issue 8 or 9 (can't remember which). What constitutes 'decent' as far as cyber parts go is a matter of preference, I personally like the look of majority of the tech parts.

Anyways, I noticed the pairs of bestial legs in the bottom corner of the picture before the thread even came about;

http://www.champions-online.com/img/screenshots/armored_claws.jpg

Not to mention Mr. Cthulhu/Illithid in the promo video;

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8104/conlineje4.jpg

[Kitsune]

Okay first thing I want to say is you shouldn't object to an option because you think it will be overused. Yes a lot of people have cat-girl characters in CoX, but people wanted to do that, and it would be stupid to deny players something because they would use it. Despite my obvious anthropomorphic name (Kitsune means fox in Japanese) I only have a few actually anthro characters. My CoH character Kitsune has electrical powers and Black Fox (named after a proposed Nuclear power plant in Oklahoma) has radiation powers.

Actually, the one thing CoH really needs more of is full Helmets, if you want to create an Iorn-Man type, you're limited to about tree faces right now.

[Trike]

Based on the trailer, I'm guessing there will be plenty of non-human options available.

As for furries themselves. people who like that sort of thing really like it and they will play a game that will allow them to have it, so ignoring potential customers would be stupid, quite frankly.

As DragonEye pointed out, there is plenty of precedent for furred characters in comics, probably even moreso in Eastern than Western culture. Catgirls run rampant throughout manga and anime, and those are currently quite popular, especially with girls.

[General_Erko]

I want my ****ed dirty apes!

[zzMDude]

What I'm surprised at is that this thread has gone 6 pages without being locked or devolving into a pure flamewar. I guess the internet masses haven't discovered this game yet, eh?

I think that on a subject like this, everything depends on how far you are willing to stretch the superhero umbrella. Yes, you have animalistic characters in comic books going as far back as the golden age. However, generally these characters are almost always villains. The Lizard, Man-Wolf, Man-Bat, Cheetah, Killer Croc, Grodd. These characters aren't out to save the day, guys. I guess you have Wolf-man and werewolf by night, but those are squarely anti-heroes.

Now, if you're willing to look outside of comic books, specifically the Ninja Turtles cartoon and every copy show that spawned from it, Then (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qd_IsxgAf8) I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv2ndRhnc9c&feature=related) really (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUcEElPqSfM) do (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajb2jiKZJ0U)
not (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6Mh7hhaqhk) think (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HseN_isE38) that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEbk1Uz3ofs) there's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7u9bpS1A44) much (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWS-OiHxKto) of (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etPQJvM8IvI) a (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXiJYcK4-GU) debate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czCqMWRFVg4) here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_zbeX6yoRI).

(Oh god, what did I do with my childhood? OH GOD.)

Now I'm going to turn my back and leave. When I come back, I expect a flame war the likes of which no man has ever seen. Don't disappoint me.

[DragonEye]

I would argue that the majority of the animal-types are villains because its easier to cast them as villains than as heroes, as its easier to convey them as such and appeal to a bestial type enemy persona. Putting a giant wolfman on the front of a comic wont sell as well, harder to relate to them as heroes. However when it comes to teams they're easier to fit in, as you can put a spandex clad guy in the centre of the team picture. Hence hero-side they moreso appear in teams such as the X-men.

Its only once their popularity has risen that they are given their own spotlights and centre appearances, for example Beast and Nightcrawler. Could you see them getting their own cover pages or solo comics before people even knew who they were? They could do so now, but when they were new they wouldnt sell as well.

I guess this is a debate for general comics forum tan here, so i'll leave it there.

Thanks for sharing the pics Bale!
Makes me look forward to this game even more.

[Athyna]

More options = good.

That's my whole opinion on this thread. None of the other points brought up matter much to me as I don't really care.

[Malaclypse]

Let's see - I'm not a Marvel fan by any stretch of the imagination, but they had a whole city of beast-men tucked away somewhere, perhaps having something to do with the High Evolutionary.

Astro City has a mostly furry SG - they're the ones in penitent's robes.

I'm sure there's more, just a couple clumps of furry heroes or supers off the top of my head.

[TeargasFox]

Most players of CoX would agree that one of the biggest things that has kept us all subscribed, month by month, and year by year is the costume and character creation process, which offers so many possibilities that the imagination can run wild, and creativity can find new ways of using off-the-shelf parts to make (or at least imply) novel costume features.

To me, the horrible 'tails' in the belt slot have been a source of disappointment for years. Whether we're talking animal-themed costumes or actual anthropomorphic characters, the parts in CoX really constrain what is possible. The few tails and ears in the game are some of the lowest-poly, most cheaply texture mapped parts in the game.

The monstrous legs and heads are of a much higher quality, but don't really cover many bases.

The character and costume creation of Champions already stands out as a major draw-factor, and I am confident that this will be an area where the devs will focus a lot of effort.

I hope Champions will have a wider range of options to please niche interests like decent tails in a variety of shapes/species and pattern options.

Had I my way, I would include fur textures and patterns as options to other 'skin' options (lizard man scales, rock hide, cyborg stuff, etc), some facial/head shapes that cover the range from wolf-man-moster to the kind of 'mainstream furry' look you see in my avatar, and some decent ears that cover more than just two or three species.

I don't believe it would be necessary to make 'furry' or whatever an origin option. In CoX terms, natural/magic/mutation/science origins could all be used to explain any kind of anthro character, and if a character is just a human in an animal-themed costume (ala Rhino) then it is beside the point to even worry about it.

Variety is the spice of life, even if I didn't like furry characters myself, I would be pleased to see more options in the costume creator, because that will mean more diversity in the game world.

I see it as simple as more real costume options (not just variations on spandex) = better game.

[Cellshot]

Most players of CoX would agree that one of the biggest things that has kept us all subscribed, month by month, and year by year is the costume and character creation process, which offers so many possibilities that the imagination can run wild, and creativity can find new ways of using off-the-shelf parts to make (or at least imply) novel costume features.

To me, the horrible 'tails' in the belt slot have been a source of disappointment for years. Whether we're talking animal-themed costumes or actual anthropomorphic characters, the parts in CoX really constrain what is possible. The few tails and ears in the game are some of the lowest-poly, most cheaply texture mapped parts in the game.

The monstrous legs and heads are of a much higher quality, but don't really cover many bases.

The character and costume creation of Champions already stands out as a major draw-factor, and I am confident that this will be an area where the devs will focus a lot of effort.

I hope Champions will have a wider range of options to please niche interests like decent tails in a variety of shapes/species and pattern options.

Had I my way, I would include fur textures and patterns as options to other 'skin' options (lizard man scales, rock hide, cyborg stuff, etc), some facial/head shapes that cover the range from wolf-man-moster to the kind of 'mainstream furry' look you see in my avatar, and some decent ears that cover more than just two or three species.

I don't believe it would be necessary to make 'furry' or whatever an origin option. In CoX terms, natural/magic/mutation/science origins could all be used to explain any kind of anthro character, and if a character is just a human in an animal-themed costume (ala Rhino) then it is beside the point to even worry about it.

Variety is the spice of life, even if I didn't like furry characters myself, I would be pleased to see more options in the costume creator, because that will mean more diversity in the game world.

I see it as simple as more real costume options (not just variations on spandex) = better game.

The fox is wise.

[Younion]

They've gotta have furry stuff, I need to make some kind of manimal or I'll be severely disappointed. Besides, appeasing the furries means more subs; I'm willing to suffer catgirls in order to be able to make decent looking non-human creatures, since I like to play human characters and non human characters.

I really hope they'll have feathered avian stuff since thats usually left out. Tails definitely, we need good tails. I think we'll be getting what we need, since CoV delivered the essentials, and Cryptic probably won't backslide after what they've already accomplished with their first two games.

[Cellshot]

They've gotta have furry stuff, I need to make some kind of manimal or I'll be severely disappointed. Besides, appeasing the furries means more subs; I'm willing to suffer catgirls in order to be able to make decent looking non-human creatures, since I like to play human characters and non human characters.

I really hope they'll have feathered avian stuff since thats usually left out. Tails definitely, we need good tails. I think we'll be getting what we need, since CoV delivered the essentials, and Cryptic probably won't backslide after what they've already accomplished with their first two games.

Bow before my might, for I am.. Bird Flu Man! INFECTIOUS STRIKE!

Edit: Actually, forget Bird Flu Man, fear the justice kick of.. THE FEATHER DUSTER!

[Younion]

Bow before my might, for I am.. Bird Flu Man! INFECTIOUS STRIKE!

Bird flu was soooo overrated, you'd probably do better with discarded plastic containers and soda pop tabs

[Farahl]

Bird flu was soooo overrated, you'd probably do better with discarded plastic containers and soda pop tabs

Wasn't there a villain like that on Captain Planet?

[Kyoteh]

Hmm.....I'm all for morphism/lycanthropy to be considered in a universe such as this...there are many ways it could be explained so that it makes sense for a Hero/Villian to have such abilities.

As many have said, I agree...more options are teh best.

*thumbs up*

[Younion]

Wasn't there a villain like that on Captain Planet?

Probably...?

[Pheonyx]

Rahne's more of a wolfgirl really :cool:

I think the point was anthromorphic characters, not simply "catgirls"... and Rayne fits the anthro bill perfectly.

I would like to see different heads for domestic animals added in there (both feline and canine)... would love to run around with a three foot anthromorphic Pug or a seven foot German Shepard.

Ashes to ashes,
Pheonyx

[Ravanos]

theres a furry community? i guess with the internet every wacked out nutjob has a community lol.

[Spidey88]

Though I wouldn't call myself a "furry", I'm all for as many options as possible. The more anthro characters, the better in my mind (as long as there's plenty of conventional superhero stuff too) - but I hope that the options won't be limited to mammals.

If I can make a wolf-man or catgirl, I should darn well be able to make a snake-man, frog-man, or insect-man too.

[Bad_Luck]

I think the point was anthromorphic characters, not simply "catgirls"... and Rayne fits the anthro bill perfectly.

I would like to see different heads for domestic animals added in there (both feline and canine)... would love to run around with a three foot anthromorphic Pug or a seven foot German Shepard.

Ashes to ashes,
Pheonyx

I want paws dammit.

[Bad_Luck]

Please go back to yiffing in SL. I'm so cold and lonely :(

Thanks! ^^
Ekowraith

Dude, if we were into that what would we be doing here? We'd be busy yiffing with ya.

[Zalb]

I'd be willing to settle with anthromorphs if they look so savage that they can decaptitate people by glancing in their general direction.
Catgirls are more boring and uninspired than anything else.

Of course choice is always good but I'd prefer it if they look more anthropomorphic than furry so that those of us (me) that aren't furry wouldn't be creeped out by the costume pieces and loose a good chunk of choices when creating characters.

I'm here to preach the word of compromise in case you're wondering.

[Cellshot]

I don't get what some of you have against furries, the vast majority of 'em aren't hurting anybody.
It's like the stuff against gays, "omg go back to your boyfriend ***".
Removing certain costume elements just because some people are scared of being forcefully yiffed or just don't understand is just stupid.

Edit: While we're at it, let's remove pink and other stereotypically 'gay' colours, you know, gotta be fair... Oh! And we shouldn't have black or white in there either, might carry racist undertones.

Put the options in, nobody is forcing anybody to use them.

[Cellshot]

That.. May be taking things.. A little too far...

[Bad_Luck]

That.. May be taking things.. A little too far...

Prime opportunity to test some of these buttons.

[RedSocialKnight]

I was so mortified when I created my Claws Scrapper ... didn't really have a concept going in, so I just gave him a feline look to go with the claws ... decided he was a former witch's familiar gone AWOL, so I slapped some chains on him to reference his escape from slavery ... it looked pretty good so I trotted him out into Atlas Park and suddenly realized ....

OH MY GOD

I'M A BONDAGE FURRY

....the shame of it!

[Cellshot]

I was so mortified when I created my Claws Scrapper ... didn't really have a concept going in, so I just gave him a feline look to go with the claws ... decided he was a former witch's familiar gone AWOL, so I slapped some chains on him to reference his escape from slavery ... it looked pretty good so I trotted him out into Atlas Park and suddenly realized ....

OH MY GOD

I'M A BONDAGE FURRY

....the shame of it!

This is how the world ends. You can not defy it.

[Ravanos]

That.. May be taking things.. A little too far...

oh come on you know you want to see Catgirl VS THE /em Foxbat steals the rest of this sentence and runs away!!

actually when i had the character i got more compliments and laughs then scowls. Though i think some times people didnt realize what it meant.

[Cellshot]

oh come on you know you want to see Catgirl VS stolen by Foxbat!

No, I really really don't.

[Tiger]

Yea, by the look of the trailer we'll have creature options, although I did not see any "Cat" characters. I just hope the Claws power allows for "Beast or Monsterous" claws.

[Malaclypse]

Now if we can just have a server that would be 18+ and reserved for mature themes!

Alas, sounds more problematical to get and maintain than a real RP server. But... we WILL get there in time![/COLOR]

[Malaclypse]

I was so mortified when I created my Claws Scrapper ... didn't really have a concept going in, so I just gave him a feline look to go with the claws ... decided he was a former witch's familiar gone AWOL, so I slapped some chains on him to reference his escape from slavery ... it looked pretty good so I trotted him out into Atlas Park and suddenly realized ....

OH MY GOD

I'M A BONDAGE FURRY

....the shame of it!

Heh - Next stop, Taps!

[Golden-Girl]

But a lot of them sure as hell did it!...

There maybe be good catgirls but they our outnumbered 100 to 1 by the bad ones.

I thought RP catgirls were always played by strange guys :p

[Ravanos]

Now if we can just have a server that would be 18+ and reserved for mature themes!

Alas, sounds more problematical to get and maintain than a real RP server. But... we WILL get there in time!


i just need a group name and the followers willing to dedicate themselves to the cause and all will be complete.

[Qualitas_Dsyn]

I thought RP catgirls were always played by strange guys :p

Surprisingly enough, I actually know a few girls in real life (yes, I'm reasonably sure they're female :-P) that actually do play catgirls in online games and PnP and like.

In some ways I'm starting to think some of them are even stranger than the guys.

[Malaclypse]

i just need a group name and the followers willing to dedicate themselves to the cause and all will be complete.

Can I bring my thumper or quoit?

Group name.... Free Expression/Tolerance in Super Heroics (F.E.T.I.S.H.) works for me!

[Farahl]

I don't get what some of you have against furries, the vast majority of 'em aren't hurting anybody.
It's like the stuff against gays, "omg go back to your boyfriend ***".
Removing certain costume elements just because some people are scared of being forcefully yiffed or just don't understand is just stupid.


My only problem ever was the...large 'naked' ones. Usually tigers. 'Fur' many furries used in CoX didn't look like fur but they worked with what they had. So all I saw when I saw that naked tiger was a naked man with yellow skin and black stripes, not fur. "Oh Dog! My eyes!" was all I was able to utter before putting my hand to the screen and trying to fly away as fast as I could...

So..yes. Realistic fur so the furries don't have to stretch to make things look like fur and end up throwing overmuscled naked men at my face. It's Champions, not Cho Aniki!

[Marshal_Valor]

If they stick true to Champions, they devs won't make "furries" as apart of the game. They will however allow for players to make animal type characters, but you won't see the "cutesy" animal stuff that you see in CoH/V.

[Malaclypse]

If they stick true to Champions, they devs won't make "furries" as apart of the game. They will however allow for players to make animal type characters, but you won't see the "cutesy" animal stuff that you see in CoH/V.

I think the point for most of us is seeing the body parts/costuming show up. 'True to Champions' doesn't mean anything about 'furries' one way or the other. I saw more anthropomorphs in Champions over the years from regular gamers than I ever saw in comics... lycanthropes and surgical upgrades and genetic experiments and alien races... But hey, whatever, eh?

[Bad_Luck]

If they stick true to Champions, they devs won't make "furries" as apart of the game. They will however allow for players to make animal type characters, but you won't see the "cutesy" animal stuff that you see in CoH/V.

So what, no room for fun or cuteness? Champions is serious business?:rolleyes:

[Bad_Luck]

oh come on you know you want to see Catgirl VS THE /em Foxbat steals the rest of this sentence and runs away!!

actually when i had the character i got more compliments and laughs then scowls. Though i think some times people didnt realize what it meant.

No, I really really don't.

*lol* I had a feeling Foxbat might be sympathetic.

[Athyna]

I don't get what some of you have against furries, the vast majority of 'em aren't hurting anybody.
It's like the stuff against gays, "omg go back to your boyfriend ***".
Removing certain costume elements just because some people are scared of being forcefully yiffed or just don't understand is just stupid.

Edit: While we're at it, let's remove pink and other stereotypically 'gay' colours, you know, gotta be fair... Oh! And we shouldn't have black or white in there either, might carry racist undertones.

Put the options in, nobody is forcing anybody to use them.

There was an episode of CSI that touched on the weirder side of furries. Maybe not the weirdest, it is TV, they have some standards, not many but a couple.

I'd be willing to be that that episode, and other types of media portrayal are why some (some, not all, generalities here folks) hate furries with a passion that burns brighter than a thousand suns even though they've never actually met one.

See, I think of everything like Jim Jones. He claimed to be a christian but he was psychotic. He wasn't indicative of the average christian, but someone hasn't met an average christian, how would they know that? So, for me, every sub-culture has weirdos and freaks and people that are normal. There's degrees of weirdness. Overall, I've noticed the loudest members of any sub-culture aren't indicative of the norm.

'Sides, they can RP whatever they want... via /tells. Let 'em have fun, just keep broadcast and local fairly clear and I dun care nun. And I can access costume parts for when I get struck by inspiration, like the flying cat I made earlier today in CoH... butter colored...

[Malaclypse]

So what, no room for fun or cuteness? Champions is serious business?:rolleyes:

[/Heh, I did an all-mime villain group once. Well, they were mostly agent level, and, umm, very short-lived.
For obvious reasons.

The name, as I recall, was M.I.M.E. but don't ask me what it stood for.

[Malaclypse]

There was an episode of CSI that touched on the weirder side of furries. Maybe not the weirdest, it is TV, they have some standards, not many but a couple.

I'd be willing to be that that episode, and other types of media portrayal are why some (some, not all, generalities here folks) hate furries with a passion that burns brighter than a thousand suns even though they've never actually met one.

See, I think of everything like Jim Jones. He claimed to be a christian but he was psychotic. He wasn't indicative of the average christian, but someone hasn't met an average christian, how would they know that? So, for me, every sub-culture has weirdos and freaks and people that are normal. There's degrees of weirdness. Overall, I've noticed the loudest members of any sub-culture aren't indicative of the norm.

'Sides, they can RP whatever they want... via /tells. Let 'em have fun, just keep broadcast and local fairly clear and I dun care nun. And I can access costume parts for when I get struck by inspiration, like the flying cat I made earlier today in CoH... butter colored...

Let's see - Vanity Fair, CSI, the View - the list goes on. Honestly, the media really does a good job of turning over rocks to find what they might be able to elicit a bit of shock with, then turn it into the news of the day.

The media coverage wasn't nearly as intense as the Burned Furs folks - but overall, I have to say that the general public response to furs has been overwhelmingly neutral tinged with slight interest. On average, folks tend to go 'umm, is that beastie kind of stuff?' and not believe disavowals, since they know what they feel when they see a big bad werewolf prancing around on the silver screen. Then they go 'huh.' and wander off, losing interest.

Just like every other kink or fetish or scene - mild titillation and interest, then boredom. Fickle, we are.

[Bad_Luck]

[/Heh, I did an all-mime villain group once. Well, they were mostly agent level, and, umm, very short-lived.
For obvious reasons.

The name, as I recall, was M.I.M.E. but don't ask me what it stood for.

I haven't lost interest in mine, but then we can change from catgirl to something else with one click anyway.

[Athyna]

Let's see - Vanity Fair, CSI, the View - the list goes on. Honestly, the media really does a good job of turning over rocks to find what they might be able to elicit a bit of shock with, then turn it into the news of the day.

The media coverage wasn't nearly as intense as the Burned Furs folks - but overall, I have to say that the general public response to furs has been overwhelmingly neutral tinged with slight interest. On average, folks tend to go 'umm, is that beastie kind of stuff?' and not believe disavowals, since they know what they feel when they see a big bad werewolf prancing around on the silver screen. Then they go 'huh.' and wander off, losing interest.

Just like every other kink or fetish or scene - mild titillation and interest, then boredom. Fickle, we are.

Yeah but, here's the thing, I don't care. Seriously. I don't. Unless you're causing pain or harm or death or something to someone, I don't care what you or anyone else does. Is it immoral or amoral? I don't care. My morals are mine, your's are yours and that guy over there has his own. I don't need to know what they are for a video game. I just want as many costuming options as possible. All of 'em. Plus more.

[Doc_Boy]

I just want as many costuming options as possible. All of 'em. Plus more.

All of 'em?

SHES GONE OFF THE DEEP END!!!!!

[EthanDirtch]

The beauty of superheroes (as compared to characters from other genres of fiction) is that they attempt to be unique in appearance and in powers.

I am a strong proponent of as many possible costume/biological variations in a superhero game, and that includes "furries", heroes/villains who wear fur as a costume piece, heroes/villains who use animal themes for their costme, or heroes/villains who have animal body parts.

My only suggestion is if Cryptic is going to give us these options, don't give them to us half-arsed! :D

[Bad_Luck]

All of 'em?

SHES GONE OFF THE DEEP END!!!!!

*grabs his baywatch trunks and a life preserver* ;)

[Lost]

I use to made models in Second Life and sell them, I believe I ve seen everything under the sun. I dont think anyone has the right to judge others , and we should be accepting , even if we dont understand. We are only as good , as we treat our most misunderstood member in a society.

Intolerance lead to the death of many people through out history. I can tell you after 3 PEs , I can accept any person , who doesnt harm others. Nobody has the right make another person feel unwelcome and hated.

Anyhow , to the Furries , you should check out Perfect World. Its chinese has humaniod animals , and the chinese accept just about anyone (expect japanese)

[Flying_Carcass]

Yo, can we get beaks this time? My supergroup in CoH has an alt-night called Rise of the Chickens and we've had to make do with gas masks in place of beaks.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Flying_Carcass/chicken17.jpg


Oh yeah, and we better be able to make gorillas in CO too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v650/Flying_Carcass/sgtcrackers.jpg

[Malaclypse]

I use to made models in Second Life and sell them, I believe I ve seen everything under the sun. I dont think anyone has the right to judge others , and we should be accepting , even if we dont understand. We are only as good , as we treat our most misunderstood member in a society.

Intolerance lead to the death of many people through out history. I can tell you after 3 PEs , I can accept any person , who doesnt harm others. Nobody has the right make another person feel unwelcome and hated.

Anyhow , to the Furries , you should check out Perfect World. Its chinese has humaniod animals , and the chinese accept just about anyone (expect japanese)

True, true, but I think a lot of us will be here in Champions Online because, well, furries are very often RPGers

[OHakubi]

If they stick true to Champions, they devs won't make "furries" as apart of the game. They will however allow for players to make animal type characters, but you won't see the "cutesy" animal stuff that you see in CoH/V.

So what, no room for fun or cuteness? Champions is serious business?:rolleyes:

He probably means that in the "there will be animal people, but not the sorts of animal people that furries would find particularly erotic" sort of way, e.g., large, angry walking slabs of muscle that bite people in half and can total cars with their bare hands. Basically, the Moreauian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_of_Dr._Moreau) interpretation rather than the furvert one.

[Bad_Luck]

He probably means that in the "there will be animal people, but not the sorts of animal people that furries would find particularly erotic" sort of way, e.g., large, angry walking slabs of muscle that bite people in half and can total cars with their bare hands. Basically, the Moreauian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Island_of_Dr._Moreau) interpretation rather than the furvert one.

Well, unless this game is MA I fail to see the problem.

[Aaron123]

Whenever I see someone really, really into the whole catgirl thing, I kinda facepalm a little to myself. It just seems to reinvigorate cutesy anime that's just become so popular and ...plain. I honestly wouldn't think of all of those Western examples given before as catgirls/boys--they look more serious--more ready to kick your ass at a second glance. Feral.

However, I understand some people do like it, and more options means more depth, so I think it should be in regardless.

[OniDaimyo]

Just beware my animal control villian. ;)

[Malaclypse]

Well, unless this game is MA I fail to see the problem.

Now wouldn't that be a pickle.

[ScrewySqrl]

I know I want to re-create my primary internet Persona, who I've used since 1990, which will require me to have a huge fluffy tail.

Since this was going to be the Marvel MMO before that fell through, hopefully they'll give me my squirrel tail. After All, Squirrel Girl is one of the most popular new Marvel Characters of this decade.

--

Just to point out a few more anthro characters missed, especially since someone mentioned they were usually villains.

Marvel's Squirrel Girl

Kilowog
Ch'p
B'shi,
(all Green Lanterns, several other obscure Lanterns are also anthropomorphic)

The Thundercats (yes, they had a comic)

Brittany 'Cheetah' Diggers
Brianna Diggers
(Gold Digger)

Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew

The Salusians of Ninja High School

[Malaclypse]

I know I want to re-create my primary internet Persona, who I've used since 1990, which will require me to have a huge fluffy tail.

Since this was going to be the Marvel MMO before that fell through, hopefully they'll give me my squirrel tail. After All, Squirrel Girl is one of the most popular new Marvel Characters of this decade.

As long as people don't think you're from Sponge Bob Square Pants. Although, you know, a turtle armor suit would be kind of reminiscent!

[DocShocker]

I'm in the "Live and let live" boat.

More costume options = GOOD

Catgirls. Bunnygirls. Kitsune. Werewolves. Minotaurs. Smokey the Bear. Sam the Eagle. Whatever.

If I wanna make a monkey character I should be able to. And to hell with what anybody thinks about it.

KNEEL BEFORE GRODD!

[Malaclypse]

I'm in the "Live and let live" boat.

More costume options = GOOD

Catgirls. Bunnygirls. Kitsune. Werewolves. Minotaurs. Smokey the Bear. Sam the Eagle. Whatever.

If I wanna make a monkey character I should be able to. And to hell with what anybody thinks about it.

KNEEL BEFORE GRODD!

Someone mentioned the 'MA' thing... I don't need bra-ripping busts and such, but. . .
Hopefully the men won't look QUITE so emasculated. In CoH, the guys in tights looked quite unfortunate.
A delicate subject I know, but c'mon, even if not terribly convex, please no concave!

[Test-Rat]

Um.. Wow, I htink I came in the wrong door, I was looking for the cheese and shiny object convention?

Oh its down the hall on my left? Thanks. Excuse me.

[Bad_Luck]

Someone mentioned the 'MA' thing... I don't need bra-ripping busts and such, but. . .
Hopefully the men won't look QUITE so emasculated. In CoH, the guys in tights looked quite unfortunate.
A delicate subject I know, but c'mon, even if not terribly convex, please no concave!

This and your av=funny :D And judging by the two main characters, I'd say this has been addressed.

[Malaclypse]

This and your av=funny :D And judging by the two main characters, I'd say this has been addressed.

Oh? I should have checked out those videos on the main dev sticky threads, eh?

I wish I remembered where I got the icon. I found it buried on my hard drive - I hope I'm not ticking off some really nifty artist somewhere.

[Gold-Rush]

Oh? I should have checked out those videos on the main dev sticky threads, eh?

I wish I remembered where I got the icon. I found it buried on my hard drive - I hope I'm not ticking off some really nifty artist somewhere.

I am pretty sure your Avatar is from the old LucasArts game "Day of the Tentacle" It is a funny/humourous game.

Or maybe not that game, it might have appeared in the old "Sam and Max" game. It's been awhile.


Anyway, good discussion and I find it funny with FoxBat's editting. :)

Options are gonna bring people and that is that. I felt that Furries where not necessarily over-catered to. You may've ran into many folks who made us of the same costume/creator options, but that is all.

I am all for everyone, even the DBZ types that eventually get re-named because, many of those guys are kids and just starting out. OF COURSE, they are gonna go and do that; they are learning RP. They just need a guiding hand is all.

Actually, I do hope for gorilla and bird beaks (HawkMan anyone? May be one of the coolest masks in all of comicdom!) . And heck, just look at the new trailer! There's a guy with a SQUID HEAD !! That should give some folks pause to feel relieved about options.

Actually, ONE thing concerns me, mostly on the graphic side, I hope the models are more....advanced" when this game comes out; they look TOO MUCH like CoH models, especially their stance. Also, as for tails, they really need to make them swish when a character walks. WoW does this with hair (on head), so do it with tails! (Emotes would be fun, too, but that is asking alot, but at least maybe this will get the idea out to devs. An emote for 'straighttail, etc. Just a few simple emotes for that particular set. )

[OHakubi]

I know I want to re-create my primary internet Persona, who I've used since 1990, which will require me to have a huge fluffy tail.

Me too. Devs, my internet persona has six arms, three heads and a schwanzschtücker big enough to level small buildings. MAKE IT SO.

[Zalb]

As to answer previous comments a few pages back in the thread.
Let's see - Vanity Fair, CSI, the View - the list goes on. Honestly, the media really does a good job of turning over rocks to find what they might be able to elicit a bit of shock with, then turn it into the news of the day.

The media coverage wasn't nearly as intense as the Burned Furs folks - but overall, I have to say that the general public response to furs has been overwhelmingly neutral tinged with slight interest. On average, folks tend to go 'umm, is that beastie kind of stuff?' and not believe disavowals, since they know what they feel when they see a big bad werewolf prancing around on the silver screen. Then they go 'huh.' and wander off, losing interest
I don't think I've actually seen that episode, if I have then I don't think I comprehended much of the episode.


I don't get what some of you have against furries, the vast majority of 'em aren't hurting anybody.
It's like the stuff against gays, "omg go back to your boyfriend ***".
Removing certain costume elements just because some people are scared of being forcefully yiffed or just don't understand is just stupid.
It's a bit different, I think of furries in general as closer to a fetish rather than something like a sexuality.
Anyhow, I'm getting a bit off-topic with this so I'll end with saying that I'd prefer savage anthromorphs like what we've seen so far.

[Geekboy]

There's a marked difference between a feral character and SEXY KITTEN or some of the other things I've actually seen the pieces in City of Heroes used for. Your 15 year old niece makes a cute little character with a kitten on their shoulder or someone makes a dragon complete with tail? Not weird at all. Someone uses an MMO to publicly play out their weird fetishes? Creeeeeeeeepy.

So bring on all the customization you want to, but don't be surprised when folks like me point and laugh at the weirder folks walking around acting out their Dragon Tales slashfic.

And yes, I've seen actual examples of everything I talked about in this post. Don't try to pretend it doesn't happen.

[soonmot]

It's okay, bring on the furries. They are so fun to grief.

Badger is still not a furry, so do';t even think of saying anything, Geekboy.

[SuckerPunch]

Hi toonmot :)

[soonmot]

I will also e-punch everyone who says toon!

SuckerPunch is a pubbie spy.

[Rhyder]

What I'm hoping to do is have some sort of cat-like for my Martial Artist(hopefully if there is MA)

Its what I've been hoping to make as a hero but there wasn't that many options in CoX for animal-like customization

[Malaclypse]

I am pretty sure your Avatar is from the old LucasArts game "Day of the Tentacle" It is a funny/humourous game.

Or maybe not that game, it might have appeared in the old "Sam and Max" game. It's been awhile.
<snip>

No, it's from a webcomic about Cthulu that had some 'Baby Great Old Ones' stuff in it, I'm sure. Lots of jokes about bands doing songs with summoning lyrics in them, then seeing Cthulu munching on them, cultists, etc.

I just wish I remembered where it was - I doubt I would have saved the icons unless they were marked 'Please take and use these', but maybe someone sent them to me, I just don't recall.

Anyway, I thought Nyarlathotep would be appropriate for this nickname.

[BluePrism]

Yes.....I will need to make a blue bunny TOON!

[Ravanos]

just make furrys PKable at any time please and they can have all the options they want

[Valcarde]

I dislike peanut butter and jelly.
Make anyone who likes peanut butter and jelly openly PKable and you can give them any options they want in the game.

This makes about as much sense as the previous post.

Edited so that I'm attacking the post, and not the poster.

[Malaclypse]

I dislike peanut butter and jelly.
Make anyone who likes peanut butter and jelly openly PKable and you can give them any options they want in the game.

This makes about as much sense as the previous poster.

Well, Ravanos has already betrayed in many earlier posts that he's not-quite-rabidly anti-furry. Probably harbors secret desires to run around in a mascot suit filled with whipped cream or something. I think that the only appropriate target for 'openly PKable' are people who think it appropriate to do to other people because they despise them.

[Valcarde]

Well, Ravanos has already betrayed in many earlier posts that he's not-quite-rabidly anti-furry. Probably harbors secret desires to run around in a mascot suit filled with whipped cream or something. I think that the only appropriate target for 'openly PKable' are people who think it appropriate to do to other people because they despise them.

I made a mis-step with my post, sadly. I shouldn't be attacking a poster, but the post itself, and have thus edited my own to reflect that.

What he posted made no sense.
Whether the poster himself makes sense or not is irrelevant.

[Foxbat]

/em launches a warning ping-pong ball into the air.

All this talk about kitties and bunnies makes me want to go rob a pet store!

[Valcarde]

/em launches a warning ping-pong ball into the air.

All this talk about kitties and bunnies makes me want to go rob a pet store!

Can you pick me up a ferret while you're there?
Thanks.

[Lost]

/em launches a warning ping-pong ball into the air.

All this talk about kitties and bunnies makes me want to go rob a pet store!

Sir what would you do if you robbed a pet store.. They make 40 cents on rats and kitties. You are truly a genuis i dont understand it.

[Avatar_of_Champions]

/em launches a warning ping-pong ball into the air.

All this talk about kitties and bunnies makes me want to go rob a pet store!

He lives... i have not seen a Foxbat post in days.. I thought one of his master plans had gone wrong....

And Foxbat: One day I will capture you and get you the professional mental help you so profoundly need.

[Athyna]

Can you pick me up a ferret while you're there?
Thanks.

I had ferrets. Little perverts is what they are. Perverts on speed.

[Malaclypse]

I had ferrets. Little perverts is what they are. Perverts on speed.

DANG sharp teeth too. At least with cats I don't normally need to go in for stitches.

[Varmint]

I'm curious, are there going to be customization options for furry heroes and villains? CoH had a few, but a lot of species were left out.

As long as we get bunny ears...I'm happy.

[Kitsune]

Anyone remember "The Fox" a "villian" who dressed up with a fox head an a tail and threw pies at people.

[Tasha]

Don't teeny bopper girls have any more original ideas than furries or faeries? It's only slightly better than the people who rip-off famous comic book chars.

You realize that it's Boys and men that make cat girls as often or more often than the female players?

Tasha

[Valcarde]

You realize that it's Boys and men that make cat girls as often or more often than the female players?

Tasha

"Welcome to the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little boys are FBI agents."

[Malaclypse]

Anyone remember "The Fox" a "villian" who dressed up with a fox head an a tail and threw pies at people.

Yes, that was a blast. I ran into a gent went by 'Sly Fox' on Virtue who once told me he based the character on that one - if I'm not being overly forgetful.

[Rhyder]

"Welcome to the Internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the little boys are FBI agents."

I laughed a bit at that haha ;)

[Athyna]

DANG sharp teeth too. At least with cats I don't normally need to go in for stitches.

What's worse, Shadow never bit. He was a sweetie... usually. Just don't let him see you in a bathing suit or less. He'd bite then and only my... err... butt.

[ShockLobster]

I'm just going to put out that so long as the creepy fetishists looking to pay $15 a month for a glorified furry chat lobby can see fit to pick an 'official unofficial' server so I know how to avoid them in this game too, we'll both get along as well as possible.

[ScrewySqrl]

I'm just going to put out that so long as the creepy fetishists looking to pay $15 a month for a glorified furry chat lobby can see fit to pick an 'official unofficial' server so I know how to avoid them in this game too, we'll both get along as well as possible.

they already have one: Second Life. With an estimated 30,000-50,000 Furry players. OUt of the 8 million registered accounts

[Rabbit]

I'm all about heroes with some animal-themes behind them. How many do the X-Men alone have? I guess it goes both ways for me, I would love to see animal-esque items even just for the sole reason of MORE costumization, but I'm not looking forward to seeing any kitty kat's and playboy bunnies. And when I say animals I mean all animals, not just mammals. Would love to see my old old serpentine heroine come to life here.

As far as this character goes... NOT playboy bunny. Her powers are mostly quickness and reflex with some awesome leg power on the side. I was actually a little disappointed when i10 came out with rabbit options. My fairly-unique-to-coh idea was thrown out the window with so many others now making bunnies. And playboy bunnies at that... ugh.

In fact, just three days ago I was on my toon Rabbit and another bunny girl asked how old my toon was. I told her it was a few years old, and my response was 'i10 hasn't been out a few years.'

*sigh* /end rant

[Vermillion]

Oh, absolutely.
<-- became my main (by accident, she's an energy/energy blaster, what can you do) in CoX and I'd like to recreate her in CO because she's accumulated a fair bit of history. Even so, she's pretty feral and a good character, or so I'm told, so I don't know if you'd count that as "furry" strictly.

[Golden-Girl]

You realize that it's Boys and men that make cat girls as often or more often than the female players?

Tasha


The boys make the lesbian catgirls - straight catgirls are more likely to be female players ;)

[DocShocker]

I'll say it again

MONKEYS!

KNEEL BEFORE GRODD!!!

[Esbat]

Was just reading on Massively that movement options will part of the customization process. So you can make your catgirl prowl about on all fours, if that's your thing.

So, yeah - I'm thinking that SWFs (Superheroes w/ Fur) will be well-supported.

OMG I love you...

*plots to create a furry heroine to fulfill all his deviant fantasies*

[OniDaimyo]

The boys make the lesbian catgirls - straight catgirls are more likely to be female players ;)

Actually lesbian does nothing for me at all. So Mine would more likely be straight. It's hard to have deviant fantasies about a woman who would have nothing to do with you cause your not her sexual preferance. :p

But I still plan on making animal control guy as a villian so watch out. :-p I think all his powers work really well on furries or animal themed people but not so well on anyone else.

[Farahl]

The boys make the lesbian catgirls - straight catgirls are more likely to be female players ;)

What about bi? Would it be people with gender issues?

[spazmeer]

I hope this is the game that will finally let me make a ninja panda.

[Avatar_of_Champions]

*Watches conversation*

You people scare me

*Runs away at top speed wishing he was a speedster*

[Malaclypse]

they already have one: Second Life. With an estimated 30,000-50,000 Furry players. OUt of the 8 million registered accounts

Hmm, it's not like it was the ONLY fetish abounding in CoX, folks. I saw bondage costumes all over the place, and, err, yes I did in fact accidentally run across a few 'arrest' scenes in dark corners from time to time that made me just avert my eyes, move on, whistle innocently and leave them their privacy.

[ScrewySqrl]

I hope this is the game that will finally let me make a ninja panda.

PANDA ATTACK!!!
(Brent dies)

[spazmeer]

My ninja panda killed them while you walked away.

[EDIT]<this is the reply too the bondage fetish wearing psycho cop killing back alley (censored) offensive aggrovating scene were the innocent man keeps walking...cause you really don't want that bondage lady walking her shoes all over you., cause her shoes were made for walking, and she'll walk all over you...ow.

[spazmeer]

PANDA ATTACK!!!
(Brent dies)

Well yea...ninjas own everything, specially panda ninjas schooled in the secret arts of ninjutsu

[OniDaimyo]

No they don't. Brent's dad pwns panda's.

[spazmeer]

No they don't. Brent's dad pwns panda's.

Isn't pwning Pandas illegal? i thought they were an endangered species.:eek:
:D

[AngelSilhouette]

Isn't pwning Pandas illegal? i thought they were an endangered species.:eek:
:D

It is. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jpLGNsQTl8&)

(No, it's not a Rick Roll, I promise)

[Malaclypse]

*Watches conversation*

You people scare me

*Runs away at top speed wishing he was a speedster*

You know, Mister Avatar - this is actually quite tame in comparison.

Now if you're brave enough to ask me in comparison to WHAT, I'll tell you, but not here.

There's scribes in the walls, don't you know!

[OniDaimyo]

No super secret squirrels. That was painfully bad.

[Bad_Luck]

just make furrys PKable at any time please and they can have all the options they want

Why would you want to be PKed at any time?

[zzMDude]

An obvious masochism fetish, of course.

[Bad_Luck]

Man, what kind of game are you guys playing? The worst I've seen is some flirting.

[Kathyrne]

I know this is terribly bad form, but I have to run rather soon so I don't have time to read all 18 pages (I did read the last 5... does that count for anything?).

Did anyone throw out the idea of having a character that isn't just furry-themed but actually furry? I mean, I'd actually enjoy playing a cat with human intelligence. Think of the advantages! Stealth and agility... Small target... Okay, you are pretty fragile so you might take more damage, but you could SO blend in to the background. (Run around a corner and start licking your paw... Instant disguise!)

Yes... I know... and before you ask, the sky is pink in the world I live in...

[Gold-Rush]

I know this is terribly bad form, but I have to run rather soon so I don't have time to read all 18 pages (I did read the last 5... does that count for anything?).

Did anyone throw out the idea of having a character that isn't just furry-themed but actually furry? I mean, I'd actually enjoy playing a cat with human intelligence. Think of the advantages! Stealth and agility... Small target... Okay, you are pretty fragile so you might take more damage, but you could SO blend in to the background. (Run around a corner and start licking your paw... Instant disguise!)

Yes... I know... and before you ask, the sky is pink in the world I live in...

Actually, I would welcome this in any game. This is pretty unexplored territory (think Animal Farm), but, I don't quite see it happening in Champions Online.

I will add a bit of hope to this...

It is possible to somehow tweak the character engine, and create a character that walks on four legs, if we can believe the promises of Devs who are making a game that is not yet into Alpha testing yet. I would say, you may be able to come up with some sort of close option to a "household cat", but not quite. It will most likely be as large as a teenager (or maybe younger child?) and may not look *exactly* like a cat. The rest of the affect, beyond visual, would be squarely on your very own RP shoulders to pull off the effect.

I would assume, given the info we currently know about the game, a wolf or larger animal (panther) may be more possible than something smaller.

[Synthos]

my main in COH was a 7ft rabbit wit a big ass gun, took a little crativity but it did me fine, i'm all for animalistic parts

[Steelyeye]

The Champions RPG had two supervillians named Panda and Racoon, if fact I think they were a couple. :)

[Siphaed]

Wouldn't all these furry superheroes be afraid of "Bob Barker Man", the superhero who attempts to "help controll the pet population, by spaying and neudering any and all pets".


*Note: Bob Barker Man is currently considered a Superhero, but the League of Superheroes is in careful consideration of rating him as a Super-Villain due some views of crualty to animals and animal-like humanoids.

[nakoda]

I hope this is the game that will finally let me make a ninja panda.

why all teh pandas? why not polar bears?

<=== avatar

[Malaclypse]

Why would you want to be PKed at any time?

No, no, that's just a furry hater who wants to be able to have no-consequences formally-authorized griefing of the people they hate, without having to suffer the same thing in return.
That form of cowardice would go more with Dark Champions, if you ask me.

[Superior]

*prays for penguin parts prays for penguin parts* I can see it now friends all in the gathering place with penguin costumes and all of us in tap shoes!

[ScrewySqrl]

No, no, that's just a furry hater who wants to be able to have no-consequences formally-authorized griefing of the people they hate, without having to suffer the same thing in return.
That form of cowardice would go more with Dark Champions, if you ask me.


Appropriate for a Dark Champs *villian*

[Malaclypse]

I know this is terribly bad form, but I have to run rather soon so I don't have time to read all 18 pages (I did read the last 5... does that count for anything?).

Did anyone throw out the idea of having a character that isn't just furry-themed but actually furry? I mean, I'd actually enjoy playing a cat with human intelligence. Think of the advantages! Stealth and agility... Small target... Okay, you are pretty fragile so you might take more damage, but you could SO blend in to the background. (Run around a corner and start licking your paw... Instant disguise!)

Yes... I know... and before you ask, the sky is pink in the world I live in...

I remember a wonderful 'Rex the Wonder Dog' hero in a comic that was a pulp hero who had been brain-swapped with his faithful German Shepard. Fun stuff.

[Thrillseeker]

/em launches a warning ping-pong ball into the air.

All this talk about kitties and bunnies makes me want to go rob a pet store!

Okay, lets do that. But lets take IguanaMan and FerretLad with us. That should distract the masses long enough for us to steal the super-secret 'Furry Transmorgafier' that Dr. Silverback hid there!

And folks... there are a number of 'furry' characters in the source material. From catmen (and catwomen) to kitsune (Look in the Ultimate Metamorph, for example) and snakes and all sorts of folk that qualify as 'Furry'. Why, Dr Silverback, as mentioned above, is a Intelligent Gorilla. If they don't put 'furry' characters in the game, they won't be really true to a considerable portion of the Champions Universe over the almost 3 decades of it's existance.

I'm just hoping we will have REAL tails, unlike the lame excuses for them present in CoX, and that there will be some really good fur textures as options for 'skintones' and many good 'fur patterns' to apply to those textures.

Of course, we all know where my bias is... I show it in my avatar to the left.

[Bad_Luck]

I remember a wonderful 'Rex the Wonder Dog' hero in a comic that was a pulp hero who had been brain-swapped with his faithful German Shepard. Fun stuff.

Rex is awesome.

[Golden-Girl]

Of course, we all know where my bias is... I show it in my avatar to the left.

That and the name combine to bring up all sorts of disturbing images :p

[Moonglo]

Im not about to read all 19 pages so I will just toss my stick in the ring as a sign of approval.

(Fyi Devs........you have my permission to recreate MY avatar exactly so I can actually play him is semi RL but then you cant let anyone else use that exact template :D)

Seriously though I would like to see a few less 'menacing' furry customization options because not everyone wants to play an 8' tall Werewolf with long sharp teeth and razor sharp claws. ;)

[Thrillseeker]

That and the name combine to bring up all sorts of disturbing images :p

Ooops, didn't mean it to be disturbing.... unless of course, you are a villain. I am all for 'disturbing' the villains... the whole Batman-esque thing with fear and villains minds. Or The Shadow...

;)

More on topic, someone else pointed out Panda and Raccoon from they original source material. And in some of the write ups for them, their tails and ears were REAL, not costume pieces.

In Comic Books I can point to dozens of examples. (Beast, Tigra, Ferel, Wolfsbane, Cheetah, Beast Boy, etc) So anyone (not specificly you, Golden-Girl, this is just a additional post piggy-backing on a coment to your comment) that thinks 'Furry' characters should be left out of the game are just furry-bashers... and there sure are enough of those out here on the net, that's for sure.

And someone (Kathryne, I think) mentioned wanting to play a 'house cat' with powers. If CO keeps all the 'powers' of Champions RPG, there's Shrinking they will have to support, and Shape Change, not to mention MultiForm.

Many characters in the Champions Universe source material have the ability to Shape Change or MultiForm into Animal Forms that are quadraped. If they can support that then they can support you using those powers to write up your House Cat.

No matter what Cryptic does with all this... it's going to be 'interesting' in the least!

[Gold-Rush]

Im not about to read all 19 pages so I will just toss my stick in the ring as a sign of approval.

(Fyi Devs........you have my permission to recreate MY avatar exactly so I can actually play him is semi RL but then you cant let anyone else use that exact template :D)

Seriously though I would like to see a few less 'menacing' furry customization options because not everyone wants to play an 8' tall Werewolf with long sharp teeth and razor sharp claws. ;)

Tiny characters, such as mice, would be awesome. (Or..."Mice are Nice" :D )

But I am pretty sure PvPers wouldn't like them :)

Unless they could TAB their targets.

[zzMDude]

Post.

You seem knowledgable about Champions.

......How's hell represented?

[SirBruce]

why all teh pandas? why not polar bears?

Have you seen what The Dharma Initiative does to polar bears?!?? :D

Bruce

[Golden-Girl]

You seem knowledgable about Champions.

......How's hell represented?

I think in CO you'll just be transported to WoW ;)

[Golden-Girl]

Ooops, didn't mean it to be disturbing.... unless of course, you are a villain.

I one of the least likely people to ever be a villain in any game ;)

[Moonglo]

Tiny characters, such as mice, would be awesome. (Or..."Mice are Nice" :D )

But I am pretty sure PvPers wouldn't like them :)

Unless they could TAB their targets.



I agree it would be awesome to have the customization capabilitiy to do the Apache Chief "Inukchuk" thing or shrink to the size of an ant but its admittedly not a great idea for an MMO (at least yet :cool:)


(oh and uh....my mouse is 3' tall dammit! :D)

[L33tMasta]

I just learned about this game today from some fellow CoH supergroup members. I'm curious, are there going to be customization options for furry heroes and villains? CoH had a few, but a lot of species were left out.

Thanks in advance :)

- Frith Ra, The Black Wolf

Dear God, please, no. Don't let this game turn into Second Life. Please devs, please, oh my God please.

[Khorax]

Dear God, please, no. Don't let this game turn into Second Life. Please devs, please, oh my God please.

I didn't know that the game would turn into Second Life. There'd still be controls over content, and simply providing more options for an Avatar doesn't do much of anything aside make people happier. If you don't like Second Life, don't play it. If you're worried about this game becoming Second Life, then consider how much content on Second Life is uncontrolled (all of it), versus how much content in Champions will be controlled (all of it). The only difference: the players. If you have a problem with a group of individuals, then that has little to do with the game.

I say more options.. the better.

[L33tMasta]

I didn't know that the game would turn into Second Life. There'd still be controls over content, and simply providing more options for an Avatar doesn't do much of anything aside make people happier. If you don't like Second Life, don't play it. If you're worried about this game becoming Second Life, then consider how much content on Second Life is uncontrolled (all of it), versus how much content in Champions will be controlled (all of it). The only difference: the players. If you have a problem with a group of individuals, then that has little to do with the game.

I say more options.. the better.

Oh I don't play Second Life, I greif Second Life. And all that's going to happen is that the introduction of furry characters means that tons of furries are gonna show up and ruin the game world like they did in Second Life.

[zzMDude]

Yeah, well if and when I see a bunch of people dressed up as sports mascots trying to sexually assault me over the internet, I'll alert the proper moderators to their actions.

Otherwise, it seems that you're a little bit paranoid (and the aggressor in these little internet wars, by your words).

I think in CO you'll just be transported to WoW ;)

D:

[SockSimian]

I don't know what to think about this.
I detest catgirls, but Rocket Raccoon (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Rocket_Raccoon) is awesome.

[Ravanos]

No, no, that's just a furry hater who wants to be able to have no-consequences formally-authorized griefing of the people they hate, without having to suffer the same thing in return.
That form of cowardice would go more with Dark Champions, if you ask me.

who says I wouldn't want to be PKable at any time. I love the thrill of having to look over your shoulder at any time ... the sense of danger and that death could be around every corner really adds a lot to a game. As for Cowardice? tell em to stop yiffying each other and watch thier backs.

I just hope they open up a Heroes vs Villains full out war PVP server.

[Khorax]

Oh I don't play Second Life, I greif Second Life. And all that's going to happen is that the introduction of furry characters means that tons of furries are gonna show up and ruin the game world like they did in Second Life.

Uh, I'd like to see how they 'ruined' it with controllable content. This means no complaints about anything that wouldn't be included in a game like this. You'd be surprised at how few stories you'll come up with that doesn't hinge on the fact that 'Dude looks like cat...' And what? What is he doing that this game wouldn't prevent? Existing? Having fun? Seriously.

[zzMDude]

I just hope they open up a Heroes vs Villains full out war PVP server.

So do I.

- It keeps the internet chaff (especially since this game will be on X-Box Live) off of my server.
- It will make for hilarity when people from that server whine about it being so empty.

Two birds, one stone. I love it!

[Golden-Girl]

Two birds, one stone. I love it!

That's more feathers than fur though ;)

[L33tMasta]

Uh, I'd like to see how they 'ruined' it with controllable content. This means no complaints about anything that wouldn't be included in a game like this. You'd be surprised at how few stories you'll come up with that doesn't hinge on the fact that 'Dude looks like cat...' And what? What is he doing that this game wouldn't prevent? Existing? Having fun? Seriously.

They'll find a way. The old /b/ saying "furries ruin everything" comes to mind here :(

[Vermillion]

I find it hilarious that my mere avatar may cause so much distress.

edit: Seriously though. I haven't really seen any arguments against this sort of thing beyond a bashing of a group of unusual people, which comes off as grating. More diversity is always good, right? If you really want, you can RP a speciesist! (Not enough of em. Interacting with them was always fun as hell)

[Khorax]

They'll find a way. The old /b/ saying "furries ruin everything" comes to mind here :(

Ah.. /b/.. that says enough. ;D No need to explain further.

Bring on the costume options!

[OniDaimyo]

who says I wouldn't want to be PKable at any time. I love the thrill of having to look over your shoulder at any time ... the sense of danger and that death could be around every corner really adds a lot to a game. As for Cowardice? tell em to stop yiffying each other and watch thier backs.

I just hope they open up a Heroes vs Villains full out war PVP server.

So play a different game if you want all out PvP. I'm telling you it won't happen. I don't think even on a PvP server will they do that. Too much extra programming.

[thrythlind]

would definitely like a much wider variety of tails than CoH has

tentacles, multiple arms...etc

I like myth-based characters, which often means animal features.

I would LOVE to be able to do Medusae correctly

or even better, some of my multiform characters (I especially have one where there are 8 different Halloween-costume themed characters sharing time/space with one "normal" person)

[Younion]

Give me multiple arms, giant beastly manes, tails that wiggle, iridescent scales, digitigrade legs, salamander gills, wings of eagles, bull snouts, and donkey ears, and I will scarcely leave such a world. I don't care about the threats of a few players, we all know they won't do anything but talk. The more customization, the more I keep coming back after I get bored for a week or two.

[shojo]

The more customization, the more I keep coming back after I get bored for a week or two.

AMEN! Praise Allah! Hail Glorificus! I'm only posting all this because it said my post was too short... but I agree.

[Ravanos]

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